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    Default Controversial comics "Storylines" !

    We as readers have seen it for decades actually. The moment a new writer comes on he decides to do something controversial and it makes readers either angry as hell or do a reaction of , hmmm that is interesting. Of course the fact is I could name many of the comics in the last 20 years like Identity Crisis or Green Lantern making Hal Jordan a Magnetoesque villain as we saw in the 90's. But that is so damn lazy and people constantly point to those and really , who wants to read the 100,000,000th billion rant on that ? I don't. So in this I wanna do controversy issues of books we have forgotten over time or the impact fizzled.

    To start this I have been getting issues of Iron Man and well , I wanted to start off with him.





    The Storyline - "Tony Stark goes insane and turns traitor."

    What Happened - The story basically is this , Tony Stark has started to crack over killing a long time mentor an issue earlier. He had went to his Arctic bunker at the end of that issue (#318) of Len Kaminski's run . The death in that issue didn't seem to impact Tony Stark til the next issue in #319 by Terry Kavanagh .




    In #319 , we see the 1st signs that all is not well in the life of Tony Stark. The death of his mentor has seemingly shaken him and he soon sees his dead parents . Which we think at 1st is a nice scene. But really the start of a chilling nervous breakdown for Tony. He runs into Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts who isn't that pleased with Tony which saddens him. He sleeps with Beth McCabe which we see him shed a tear over and then his dealings with Force Works has him take off when the Scarlet Witch confronts him over his handling the team and leadership. The scene at the end has her say "You used to be a good team mate Tony , what happened ?"

    At the end we see a panel of a grimace of anger in his helmet to line up a meeting for all his friends at Avengers Mansion.

    Of course this started the "CROSSING" storyline which tied into Kang influencing Tony Stark all those years and to handle it he became an alcoholic and womanizer . The idea was Tony was gonna always turn and go evil at some point for Kang. Finally the death of his mentor was the trigger event that sent Stark over the edge really. Where he would eventually turn against the Avengers and end up battling his younger teen self the Avengers brought from an alternate past...





    The Reaction - Readers absolutely hated this storyline. Many claimed it was Marvel basically seeing what DC did with Hal Jordan and thinking , we can do it with Tony Stark. But unlike where DC put a whole new character in the mantle , Marvel stuck Tony Stark as a teenager there. Readers weren't kind and within issues Marvel realized the fuck up they had made. They used Onslaught and Heroes Reborn to fix this mess.

    They would soon never mention Kang using Tony Stark to turn traitor either and it remains one of the forgotten controversial storylines Marvel ran before they revamped many of their stagnant books with Heroes Reborn.
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    To make a long story really short...

    Anything to do with a Spider-Man clone...
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    And of Jezebel also spake the LORD, saying, The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.

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    And this is yet another hilariously bad example of writers/editorial using the most ridiculous and contrived methods possible to get to a desired status quo while keeping it in the same continuity. It didn't occur to them to do an Ultimate-style book with the younger, hipper Iron Man they so desired; instead, they had to explicitly make the original Iron Man a puppet of Kang all along, and have him replaced by his teenaged self via time-travel. Because everything has to be connected, no matter how stupidly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitz the Bloody View Post
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    And this is yet another hilariously bad example of writers/editorial using the most ridiculous and contrived methods possible to get to a desired status quo while keeping it in the same continuity. It didn't occur to them to do an Ultimate-style book with the younger, hipper Iron Man they so desired; instead, they had to explicitly make the original Iron Man a puppet of Kang all along, and have him replaced by his teenaged self via time-travel. Because everything has to be connected, no matter how stupidly!
    From what I see they look like they worked.
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    This next one is less storyline and more like... weird unique art turn on an established character. An art turn even Wizard Magazine mocked back in the late 90's.



    Ghost Rider - "Evil Clown look..."

    The Idea - Ghost Rider by the mid 1990's had basically suffered due to Marvel's over-exposure of him as a character. In fact Ghost Rider fell into the same trap Venom and the Punisher would fall into. Marvel would strike gold with these characters in the early 1990's and then basically within the span of a couple of years spread them out in the case of Punisher & Ghost Rider to 3-4 monthly books and numerous guest appearances. In the case of Ghost Rider , he was pushed into a team book called "Spirits of Vengence" and "Blaze" at times , plus whatever else he would show up in.

    By the mid 90's Marvel did the whole "Marvelution" idea and cancelled 75+ books that were basically not worth keeping. They would trim many books down and Ghost Rider watched as he went back to 1 monthly book. One that was limping along and what many expected to be cancelled at least at #75. Instead to the shock of many , the book survived and went past that mark. Then Marvel decided they needed a shake up for Ghost Rider and a way to possibly jolt new fans. So Pop Mhan became the artist and this....became the new look of the Rider.



    To say fans were impressed by it would be like saying McDonald's is healthy for you. Wizard even mocked the new look and fans must have left more in droves at this. The new look debuted at #79. Within a year the title would get suddenly cancelled due to declining readership. Not even a change back to Ghost Rider's original look could get fans back. The clown look of Ghost Rider seemed to be the deal that pissed those fans away .



    The book was suddenly cancelled at #93 due to declining readership . It would be years later and Marvel finally released #94 to wrap whatever story the writer had planned then. Ghost Rider would return with Johnny Blaze as the Rider and it seems like he has stuck with his original look and won't go "clown" anytime soon.
    "Heads up-- If Havok's position in UA #5 really upset you, it's time to drown yourself hobo piss. Seriously, do it. It's the only solution." - Rick Remender

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