how would you sync YJ superboy and nuDCU superboy?

[stephens2177]

He imo will at full maturity have golden age limits,like the YJ SB,i know now its at a very low level,but imo it will grow to that level.his skin ismt impentrable,but imo it will be someday.

And having TTK wouldmt clash with megans TK,not if he flys,amps his physical powers,and just blowsnstuff up he touches.also i dont see TTK senses clashijg with telepathy either.

[Superlad93]

He imo will at full maturity have golden age limits,like the YJ SB,i know now its at a very low level,but imo it will grow to that level.his skin ismt impentrable,but imo it will be someday.

And having TTK wouldmt clash with megans TK,not if he flys,amps his physical powers,and just blowsnstuff up he touches.also i dont see TTK senses clashijg with telepathy either.

Ok get what you mean but just remember to keep saying that it's "YOUR OPINION" and not fact.

And let me ask you one big thing: If all you want Superboy to do with his TK in YJ is to just fly, enhance his strength, and blow things up......why can't he just have kryptonian powers to do all of that and more?

I mean if your want is to make Superboy a stronger and a more prominent character in the show, and also to "live up to Superman" then why cant he just get his powers if that's all you want?

Why does it have to be TK? Is it because Lex said he would never get his full powers? Then well to quote you: "you believed him? Lex lies".

It sounds like you like the power more than you like the character....

[stephens2177]

Ok get what you mean but just remember to keep saying that it's "YOUR OPINION" and not fact.

And let me ask you one big thing: If all you want Superboy to do with his TK in YJ is to just fly, enhance his strength, and blow things up......why can't he just have kryptonian powers to do all of that and more?

I mean if your want is to make Superboy a stronger and a more prominent character in the show, and also to "live up to Superman" then why cant he just get his powers if that's all you want?

Why does it have to be TK? Is it because Lex said he would never get his full powers? Then well to quote you: "you believed him? Lex lies".

It sounds like you like the power more than you like the character....

I dont want him to be superman jr. Just the opposite.kon is everything kal isnt or cant be,and i like that.i also like to focus on thimgs that make him different than superman,because thats what makes him special.if i had my way every version of SB would have physiclaly golden age power levels,and would have a TK field that is his main power,that amps his physical powers,gives him more,like senses,fullTK,and flight,and i think both YJ and NuSB could be this easily.

[stephens2177]

For the show i think old school TTK would be better for him(for now) and i also think it would be cool to have his eyes glow red,and probably leave the color only for his eyes,he doesnt really need to glow.

[Superlad93]

I dont want him to be superman jr. Just the opposite.kon is everything kal isnt or cant be,and i like that.i also like to focus on thimgs that make him different than superman,because thats what makes him special.if i had my way every version of SB would have physiclaly golden age power levels,and would have a TK field that is his main power,that amps his physical powers,gives him more,like senses,fullTK,and flight,and i think both YJ and NuSB could be this easily.

But Superman isn't the focus of the show so it really doesn't matter if he has his powers or not so it's a moot point, its like saying "I don't want KF to be Flash jr". (even though the whole point in the names KID Flash and SuperBOY are that they are "jr" protegees and there next logical sep is to become their mentors) Why how come no one ever says that about KF? In the show he has super speed just like flash. Same power same power source too.....But I'll go on just for the sake of argument:

If your wish really is just that you want him to be different then why cant he just keep his powers as is but with no TK? Why would that be bad?

During the show earlier episodes Superboy was always so distraught about not having Superman's powers and he would think he wasn't good enough right? So then you will have to agree that a main plot point in his character development would have to be him getting over this notion of inadequacy right. Later down the road he will have to come to terms with it and realize that being Superman is doing the best you can with what you already have (that's a Superman motto right there)

So how do you think it would look if from some random twist of fate he just randomly gets TK or something? It would just be like "well hey ya know all that character building we were doing with you and all the great lessons we were setting you up for.....well forget all of em and have some more superpowers on us".

Do you see how bad that is from a story stand point? For a moment steady your fanboy way of thinking and allow logic to intervene.

Leaving Superboy just as he is now plays by all the logical guidelines set by the show as of now and it goes by your want to make him different from Superman...oh and and he is still physically strongest on the team.

So I ask you again: why does it have to be TK?

I like your post and every thing its just that most of the time it feel like you like the power more than the actual character......

[stephens2177]

I think you are missing the point i am saying,i dont want SB to be different for different sake,i want him differemt because he is different.

Wally as a kid no problem,of they went into the future and wally couldmt use his speedforce tricks then yeah i wouldnt like it.

I wamt him to be who he is,not just a random differemce for the shows sake.he has TK,always has,always should,thats why im pro TK.

He can be great his own way, he doesnt have to be handicappe just so the show can have him angsty,let him be that way because he is a teen,not because he is artificially weakened.

[Superlad93]

I think you are missing the point i am saying,i dont want SB to be different for different sake,i want him differemt because he is different.

Wally as a kid no problem,of they went into the future and wally couldmt use his speedforce tricks then yeah i wouldnt like it.

I wamt him to be who he is,not just a random differemce for the shows sake.he has TK,always has,always should,thats why im pro TK.

He can be great his own way, he doesnt have to be handicappe just so the show can have him angsty,let him be that way because he is a teen,not because he is artificially weakened.

Well in the show he isn't just different for different sake. They give satisfactory reasons why he is not like Superman and nothing has come off as random or forced concerning his differences from Superman. As for the 90s Superboy you do know that he was literally made to be different for different sake right?

As for Wally. Why is it not a problem for him as a kid but its a problem for Superboy as a kid?? So what your saying is that its ok for him to be Flash jr. now but later no way right, so then it must be ok for Superboy to be Superman jr. right now right? Do you notice how none of this even has to do with TK at all.

The thing is being himself in the show because that is who he is in the show. It's not like its the same Superboy just jumping around the multiverse. I don't know if you remember but this is part of the multiverse so this is a PARALLEL Superboy who actually is being himself even if you think he's not. So you can be pro TK but you haven't given me a good reason why THIS Superboy should have it at all. He meets all of your criteria and your need for being different....he just happens to not have TK.


The fact of the matter is that his thought of inadequacy is a major character plot point and there isn't really anything we can do about it because we didn't make the show and the episodes that already have that plot point present have already aired so now its out there you your just gonna have to deal.

And its not "artificially being weakened" if you were born that way. If my dad was a great track star and when im born I suck at running should I think I was artificially being weakened?? no, no I shouldn't. Now when Superboy was using shields he was being artificially powered up if. Do you see the difference?

So after what I've said I'd like to ask again why is TK NEEDED for this show?

[Zak213]

I guess when it comes down to it, does the origin allow the legacy character to have different powers?

The thing is, with WW, she is given her powers by the gods so the gods could try to give Donna different powers other than being another flying brick. Same with captain Marvel family. Even Kyle could appear on the show with a blue instead of a green one.

But with Supes, its down to cold hard fact that those are the estabished powers for kryptonian. Now Connor doesnt have all the superman powers which is fine, but how is he suppose to get TK when Supes dont have it?

Granted you could say he could get it from Lex but do you really want Lex with super powers?

[stephens2177]

im starting to get the feeling you are arguing just to argue.

i get your points,but this show wasnt created out of thin air,they were created from existing characters,and to do a character right,you do them justice,by including the fundamentals of the character.wally as a grownup is with linda and has somewhat mastered the speedforce.if it was bart on the show i would expect him to be a hyper thought second kinda kid,but all their powers are basically the same,but for adult wallys speedforce tricks and barts memory and dupes.

BUT kon never had kals powers from the start,he was always different,that was his thing,to be different than kal.that is a fundamental of kon,and somethings that make him different is being a clone,having attitude,having TTK,having lexs dna also,and wearijg black with the S.all of that is being represented now,but for his TTK,a power that is a huge part of who he is,just ask him,he will tell you all about.

TTK is SB,just like being a clone is SB,thats why

[stephens2177]

I guess when it comes down to it, does the origin allow the legacy character to have different powers?

The thing is, with WW, she is given her powers by the gods so the gods could try to give Donna different powers other than being another flying brick. Same with captain Marvel family. Even Kyle could appear on the show with a blue instead of a green one.

But with Supes, its down to cold hard fact that those are the estabished powers for kryptonian. Now Connor doesnt have all the superman powers which is fine, but how is he suppose to get TK when Supes dont have it?

Granted you could say he could get it from Lex but do you really want Lex with super powers?

simple answer-mutation of solar cells.all the powers he receives from being a solar battery were changed by tampering with the kryptonian dna with human dna.my theory is he has the natural kryptonian genetic abilities,or golden age powers,but his solar powers were changed.we have seen it with superman blue,and lor zod so we know it can happen.

oh and my theory is that his super hearing and infra red vision arent normal kryptonian hearing and vision,but his emerging TTK sesnory abilities(which has been proven in the comics to look and do the same thing).those two are not golden age powers,but he has them anyway,wonder why folks.before it was his kryptonian powers slowly emerging,now imo it will be his TK abilities emerging slow,cause of the mutation.

i will say having him be a solar battery on both the show and the book would prolly be a lot smarter than his body being its own power source,just because it would explain all his powers,and make room for extremely high end SUPER feats.

[TomorrowTeen]

What's with the need to synchronize the two? The YJ Superboy is a different take on the character of Conner Kent. Not every version of the character had telekinesis. Look at Smallville. TTK was only a way for a non-kryptonian to have Superman style powers without being kryptonian thanks to an old mandate by DC to have Superman be the only Kryptonian. That mandate has been thrown out. Honestly, that eliminates the necessity for that power now. Why just imitate when you can have the real thing? It's easier and way less nuanced for people to wrap their heads around. I care way more about the character than his powers so not having any TK what so ever doesn't bother me one bit. In fact it's not the primary aspect about the character any more if it ever was. What made the 90s Superboy appealing and stand out back then was that it was the closest thing to seeing how a young version of Superman who was not raised by the Kents on a farm would act. He behaved like most of us would have. He was the everyman version of Superman. That's what made it fun. It was a freshing change of pace from the seriousness of the Superman titles. The TTK was just a superficial aspect to the character. We only learned about that power AFTER superman's return so it was not vital to his early popularity at the time. People thought he had Superman's powers but he was just too inexperienced to understand them and use them. That or he wasn't cloned perfectly. The newly added Superman/Luthor duality debate makes him even more appealing and stand out more than ever before. So much so that it's become the primary and accepted characteristic of the Conner Kent character these days. It makes him instantly accessible and helps him create his own space in the Superman mythos while at the same time creating a strong tie to it. All that and we still get to see what a young Superman without the instilled morals of the Kents may act like. Unlike Clark, we get to see this guy make mistakes along the way. The very idea that endeared me to the character or idea of the character in the first place. Get that and you get the central reason behind the idea of Conner Kent, the everyman Superman. I don't need TK for that. It just isn't that essential. That's why I can still enjoy the YJ Superboy and the Smallville version even though they're different from the current comic version. If the lack of TK really bothers you then you have to ask yourself if you're more into the actual power than the character himself.

[stephens2177]

while you make some good points his TTK took on a life of his own,it wasnt like sayijng superman has super strength or flash has supersped,it became part of how he defined himself,he relished every moment he got to use it or just talk about it,it was more than just a power.thats what you guys arent getting its not that i just like TTK and want him to have it becasuse its cool,but i want him to have a large part of who he is back,who he sees himself being,what has always been superboy.you ask anybody to tell you anything about SB in the 90's and the first or second answer will always be TTK,ppl even to this day talk about how SB used to talk about it in every book out loud to anybody,especially bad guys to nonend.

Smallville had one episode,in the last season,so they kept it simple.tiny titans is a child level book so they keep it simple there too.in the actual DCU from his birth to now he has always had it,it has always been apart of him,and it should sty that way.

[TomorrowTeen]

while you make some good points his TTK took on a life of his own,it wasnt like sayijng superman has super strength or flash has supersped,it became part of how he defined himself,he relished every moment he got to use it or just talk about it,it was more than just a power.thats what you guys arent getting its not that i just like TTK and want him to have it becasuse its cool,but i want him to have a large part of who he is back,who he sees himself being,what has always been superboy.you ask anybody to tell you anything about SB in the 90's and the first or second answer will always be TTK,ppl even to this day talk about how SB used to talk about it in every book out loud to anybody,especially bad guys to nonend.

Smallville had one episode,in the last season,so they kept it simple.tiny titans is a child level book so they keep it simple there too.in the actual DCU from his birth to now he has always had it,it has always been apart of him,and it should sty that way.

And you have to understand, characters change. The 90s are over and done with. Superman used to just leap before he flew. All comic book characters are subject to this. Superboy is no different. You just have to learn to let go. There is a new generation of young fans whose first exposure to Superboy is the YJ version or smallville. This is their time now. This is their Superboy, a clone but he has only a portion of Superman's powers. Superboy has existed long enough now that we'll be seeing multiple interpretations of the character like Superman. Like we had GA Superman followed by Atomic Age Superman and Silver Age and so on, now we have 90s Superboy, Geoff's retcon of Superboy and the offshoots connected to that (YJ/Tiny Titans/Smallville),and now this DCNU version. It seems to me you're trying to pigeon hole the character back to those days and that isn't healthy for the character at all. Superman continues to exist because he's been adapted to the changing times over the years but his essential core has remained. Sure he doen't move planets anymore, or have malleable facial structures, or a super-kiss, super-ventriloquism and so on but his core is unchanged. An alien sent from a distant world and raised by humans to be become a champion. Same with Superboy. A Superman clone created to take his place but trying to pave a path on this own. That's all you need.

[stephens2177]

And you have to understand, characters change. The 90s are over and done with. Superman used to just leap before he flew. All comic book characters are subject to this. Superboy is no different. You just have to learn to let go. There is a new generation of young fans whose first exposure to Superboy is the YJ version or smallville. This is their time now. This is their Superboy, a clone but he has only a portion of Superman's powers. Superboy has existed long enough now that we'll be seeing multiple interpretations of the character like Superman. Like we had GA Superman followed by Atomic Age Superman and Silver Age and so on, now we have 90s Superboy, Geoff's retcon of Superboy and the offshoots connected to that (YJ/Tiny Titans/Smallville),and now this DCNU version. It seems to me you're trying to pigeon hole the character back to those days and that isn't healthy for the character at all. Superman continues to exist because he's been adapted to the changing times over the years but his essential core has remained. Sure he doen't move planets anymore, or have malleable facial structures, or a super-kiss, super-ventriloquism and so on but his core is unchanged. An alien sent from a distant world and raised by humans to be become a champion. Same with Superboy. A Superman clone created to take his place but trying to pave a path on this own. That's all you need.

Superman has been around for 70 years now,and most of it has been with his powers staying the same,yeah power levels and extra powers were added then taken away,but his powerset has been consistent.thats what i want for SB/kon/conner.


SB needs to combine his kesel,johns,lobdell,and weisman versions into one,or atleast close enpough so ppl know its supposed to be the same guy.

TTK
Full kryptonian powers w/TTK
FulL TTK and TK
Golden age kryptonian powers

Find a middle ground for me then.

[TomorrowTeen]

The man's character has changed over the years as well. He went from being the "Champion of the oppressed and the downtrodden" to a father figure upholding the status quo to a kind of Messiah-like character over time. And no his powers did not stay the same. The nature of his powers also changed. He went from acquiring his abilities from earth's lesser gravity to a mix of sunlight and low gravity to all sunlight. But aside from that you're missing the point. You're stilling focusing on his powers when that was not what IIt's not about the powers. If you stay focused on that then you're not really talking about the actual character at all. The idea of a clone of Superman trying to find his own way without the benefit of a Kent upbringing. That's it. The powers is just a distraction. Powers don't need to factor into it because ultimately it doesn't matter. My ideal combo would be to take Johns Superman/Luthor DNA origin combined with the rebellious, optimistic nature of Kesel's version and you're done. You're way too focused on just his powers and that doesn't lead to any kind of growth for the character. He's trying to become a hero. The key is that he wants to become every bit the hero Clark is, the greatest superhero of them all, even though he doesn't have the benefit of Clark's upbringing and that's further complicated by his genetic connection to Lex Luthor. He's an imperfect version of Superman trying to achieve what is seemingly impossible to many but we love him for it. He'll make mistakes but he's going to keep trying even if it kills him. It's a lofty goal but we sure would like to see the guy do it. It doesn't and shouldn't matter what power he has to go about performing that task. That is why I love this character's story and feel invested in his adventures. Focusing on just his powers comes across as way too superficial to me and ignores the essence of what makes this character such an appealing and interesting addition to the Superman mythos. If you can't get past that then I really don't know what more I can say to you.