Hawkeye x Spider-Woman as Marvel's new Super Couple

[Monty_Cristo]

I agree - the panel came across as Bobbi appearing bitter and jealous towards Jess, where, if anything, her ire would be directed squarely at Mr "Porkeye" Barton.

You know, when she's back from being a cheeky scamp gadabouting across history, I'd love a random four horizontal panel page where Hawkeye wakes up, realises he's in bed with Moonstone, pauses and then finishes with "I've made a terrible mistake", a haunted look on his face.

i can imagine an entire page of rapidly approaching close-ups of Clint's face. and maybe there could be small images of all of the dude's Moonstone has slept with encircling his head.

[Hrist]

You make a good point there, but I still think it can and has been done before, even if, most of the time, it ends up not being very permanent and change from writer to writer. Before he left Avengers, Roger Stern was setting up the female Captain Marvel with FBI agent Derek Freeman, who ended up being the brother of future Avengers liason Dwayne Freeman, and I think it had everything to have been an awsome relationship. Both Cyclops and Magneto briefly had relationships with boat captain Lee Forrester. During Harras run Herc fell in love with a normal woman who worked with children (teacher?), true, she ended up not being exactly that, but that's beside the point. Atlas feel in love with city hall liason Dallas Riordan. Even Steve and Sharon Carter can be seen as super-hero dating non-super-hero. Johnny Storm and his endless array of girlfriends. Ben Grimm and Alicia Masters. Wolverine and Mariko Yashida. And the list goes on and on...
When SH gets involved with SH, even if it's meant to be casual, or temporary, I prefer it to be a plot point, leading to a far-reaching storyline, similar to the Crystal - Dane Withman - Sersi triangle, the Hank Pym - Firebird romance, who ended up not happening, or even the Vision and Scarlet Witch marriage.

I'm not saying you can't bring civilian relationships onto team books, because it's been done, and done well. I'm just saying it's a lot easier, if you have a big cast, to pair up members of the cast rather than introducing someone completely new. Bendis has the Spider-woman/Hawkeye relationship going on, and he also has developed a relationship between Noh-Varr and an NYU student. Noh-Varr and the NYU student are much more serious about each other, but it's a lot easier to give Spider-woman and Hawkeye pagetime, because readers are already attached to those characters and invested in their personalities. No one buys Avengers to collect stories about a random NYU student who is dating Noh-Varr, and all the space you devote to the NYU student is space you could have used to tell stories about the Avengers. I don't really have a problem with Noh-Varr dating the NYU student, mind you, but because it's mostly happening off-panel, it limits the drama.

I guess, to me, I always see romance as a plot point. Usually in romances you get to see sides of characters you don't see in the action scenes—*you see a bit "behind the mask" so to speak, even with characters who don't have much of a civilian life. And when written convincingly that's almost always valuable no matter where the romance itself leads, even if it's just a random fling that never gets spoken of again. Granted, when you have a hero hook up with another hero it's a lot harder to do the "never gets spoken of again" bit, because both characters are likely to stick around in ways that random civilians won't. But I don't think that's a bad thing, just something that requires thought. Just like, if a writer wants to hook up a hero with a random civilian when a book already has a huge cast, they're going to have to think about how to balance that, and also realize that it's pretty likely that new civilian character won't survive an author switch-up.

[The Black Guardian]

If they're the super couple, there's no hope for any of us.

[Lady_Alternate]

i can imagine an entire page of rapidly approaching close-ups of Clint's face. and maybe there could be small images of all of the dude's Moonstone has slept with encircling his head.

That's over-egging it, we need to keep the burning regret firmly in the mind of the reader. We could follow up your idea by giving him a similarly burning itch in his shorts later, and then he can get the Rogue's Gallery circling his mind...

[idiopathic]

I'm more interested in finding out who Mockingbird will be sleeping with.

What about Daredevil, him being an Avenger now? A Daredevil and Hawkeye fight would be nice to see.

[Darthfury78]

What about Daredevil, him being an Avenger now? A Daredevil and Hawkeye fight would be nice to see.

Cool idea. Although I would love to see their respective companions, The Black Cat and Spider-Woman battle.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

What about Daredevil, him being an Avenger now? A Daredevil and Hawkeye fight would be nice to see.

Already happened once. Over Back Widow, no less.

Anyway. I don't understand the uproar, and I'm as big a Hawkeye fan as it gets.
It's not that hard to believe folks. and for all the Bendis criticism (I'm all for that most of the time) but the scene in question where Clint first checks out Spider-Woman's boobs was actually written by Jim McCann, not Bendis.

[custodes]

Hawkeye needs a relationship. He is a romantic. It is often someone who is close to him, jobwise or situation-wise. He is mushy. He is the type that would marry at 17 or 18. He has had many loves. And he seems to really love them all. When it is over he pouts. He tries to make the love grow again. He doesn't quit easily. However, when they make it obvious it is not going to happen, he eventually gets the message and moves on. And his next love will always be true too.

He is not a user. He really loves Spider Woman just like he loved Bobbi and Natasha etc...

They are not forever but, they are passionate and real.

[coveredinbees]

No. It's the worst thing I've ever heard of! EVER

[Darthfury78]

No. It's the worst thing I've ever heard of! EVER

Besides Hawkeye, I think that Jessica Drew would find Peter Parker an interesting person to hang out with away from The Avengers once in a while.

[tommyman]

Hawkeye needs a relationship. He is a romantic. It is often someone who is close to him, jobwise or situation-wise. He is mushy. He is the type that would marry at 17 or 18. He has had many loves. And he seems to really love them all. When it is over he pouts. He tries to make the love grow again. He doesn't quit easily. However, when they make it obvious it is not going to happen, he eventually gets the message and moves on. And his next love will always be true too.

He is not a user. He really loves Spider Woman just like he loved Bobbi and Natasha etc...

They are not forever but, they are passionate and real.

Oh, yeah, you could really see his "love" for Wanda when he porked her, what with him thinking that she was an amnesiac, mentally ill woman who'd broken down over the death of her kids.
Not a user at all *rolls eyes*.
Bendis has made him a Douchebag.
An abusive boring user loser who shoots unarmed women, tortures female prisoners and generally need to be beaten to death with a blunt object.
Spider-Woman is a worthless whining sack of crap in the current incarnation.
Hooking her up with Hawkeye is the only piece of "character" Bendis has written for her in eight years other than liking Enteman's donuts and being the worlds most useless cry-baby.
If it wasn't for the need to protect the copyright on the female version of Spider-Man, that waste of space would not even exist.
They should just have a piece of paper with "spider-woman" written on it that they carry around, it would be more interesting.

It's not love, it's a writer badly aping what other, better writers have done with Hawkeye in the past, probably because it got pointed out to him that "I'll kill every last %^&*ing one of them!!!" homicidal ninja Hawkeye was shit, so he thinks he's writing "classic" Hawkeye now.

[Monty_Cristo]

Hawkeye needs a relationship. He is a romantic. It is often someone who is close to him, jobwise or situation-wise. He is mushy. He is the type that would marry at 17 or 18. He has had many loves. And he seems to really love them all. When it is over he pouts. He tries to make the love grow again. He doesn't quit easily. However, when they make it obvious it is not going to happen, he eventually gets the message and moves on. And his next love will always be true too.

He is not a user. He really loves Spider Woman just like he loved Bobbi and Natasha etc...

They are not forever but, they are passionate and real.

i'm cool with that. but, personally, i wish it had been with the Jessica Drew who actually had her own solo series. i remember liking that character. i hope a writer recaptures that personality one day.

[Old Sparky]

If it wasn't for the need to protect the copyright on the female version of Spider-Man, that waste of space would not even exist.
They should just have a piece of paper with "spider-woman" written on it that they carry around, it would be more interesting.

Well, if it was just about maintaining the copyright, they could use Arachne... or the Mattie Franklin Spider-Woman instead of killing her off... I think Bendis has a crush on Jessica Drew and wants her around even if he has no idea how to use her properly.

[x-men_always_win]

Hawkeye is a douche that would probably be bad ass 1000 years ago.

[The Black Guardian]

The whole Bobbi-Clint-Jessica triangle doesn't make any sense, really, because Bobbi has spent the entire time she's been back telling Clint how much she wants nothing to do with him.