Will Hollywood greenlight WW pic after Hunger Games' record B.O.?

[Reginleif]

My hostility towards Hunger Games is primarily rooted in the fan base and the actual content of the movie/books is irrelevant in my opinion. The reason why I dislike Twilight so much is because of the fanbase who are not only irational, but fanatical to the point that they actively attempt homicide to promote their ideology. I admit I am ignorent on these 'hunger Games' and I only heard of this franchise last week, but already I see the trickling of their fanaticism. Already they havbe exposed themselves as having rascist elements attatched to them. Do these 'tweets' represent the majority of the fanbase? Of course not, but do they represent a segment of it, in the immortal words of Sarah Palin 'You Betcha!'

[Zoidberg, M.D.]

My hostility towards Hunger Games is primarily rooted in the fan base and the actual content of the movie/books is irrelevant in my opinion. The reason why I dislike Twilight so much is because of the fanbase who are not only irational, but fanatical to the point that they actively attempt homicide to promote their ideology. I admit I am ignorent on these 'hunger Games' and I only heard of this franchise last week, but already I see the trickling of their fanaticism. Already they havbe exposed themselves as having rascist elements attatched to them. Do these 'tweets' represent the majority of the fanbase? Of course not, but do they represent a segment of it, in the immortal words of Sarah Palin 'You Betcha!'

If tomorrow they made a WW movie and Donna or Hipolyta were black, you'll find a lor of racist comments too.

[spark627]

My hostility towards Hunger Games is primarily rooted in the fan base and the actual content of the movie/books is irrelevant in my opinion. The reason why I dislike Twilight so much is because of the fanbase who are not only irational, but fanatical to the point that they actively attempt homicide to promote their ideology. I admit I am ignorent on these 'hunger Games' and I only heard of this franchise last week, but already I see the trickling of their fanaticism. Already they havbe exposed themselves as having rascist elements attatched to them. Do these 'tweets' represent the majority of the fanbase? Of course not, but do they represent a segment of it, in the immortal words of Sarah Palin 'You Betcha!'

First off, I haven't seen anything you have described in terms of the fanbase. The fans seem to be much more rational. Furthermore, the fans range all ages, both genders, unlike Twilight which is 99% female between 12 and 17. I am 28 and male and love the books and movies. All of my friends feel the same way. This isn't a franchise for tween girls. Secondly, if teen girls are obsessed with Hunger Games... good. Good for them for finding a strong female to obsess over.

As for the racism, yes its horrible. However that is 20 people that we know off versus millions. What do you say about the racists that complained about Thor?

Again, your ignornant comments about the movies and books are no better then the people that say WW can't be done and no is interested. If you spent 15 minutes on the internet researching the Hunger Games you would know better.

[Cowtools]

My hostility towards Hunger Games is primarily rooted in the fan base and the actual content of the movie/books is irrelevant in my opinion. The reason why I dislike Twilight so much is because of the fanbase who are not only irational, but fanatical to the point that they actively attempt homicide to promote their ideology. I admit I am ignorent on these 'hunger Games' and I only heard of this franchise last week, but already I see the trickling of their fanaticism. Already they havbe exposed themselves as having rascist elements attatched to them. Do these 'tweets' represent the majority of the fanbase? Of course not, but do they represent a segment of it, in the immortal words of Sarah Palin 'You Betcha!'

But so what? There are idiot fans of The Hunger Games the same way there are idiot fans of anything.
Remember those racists protesting the casting of the Thor movie. Did that turn you off comics?
Read some of the articles I posted and you will see some of the true faces of the majority of Hunger Games fans.

To step down off my soapbox and take off the megaphone for a second, I have to say that you really should read the books.
I'm not saying they will rock your world or even change your POV, but you need to know what the deal is.
If you enjoy a powerful, meaningful story well told, then you should read them.
I can guarantee two things: A) They are about as far away from Twilight as young adult fiction gets, and B) They offer the kind of fully-formed and believable female hero that Hollywood generally doesn't.

[Reginleif]

Stephenie Meyer (author of the Twilight series) endorsed the book on her website, saying, "I was so obsessed with this book....The Hunger Games is amazing."

Game. Set. Match.

[Dr. Hurt]

My hostility towards Hunger Games is primarily rooted in the fan base and the actual content of the movie/books is irrelevant in my opinion. The reason why I dislike Twilight so much is because of the fanbase who are not only irational, but fanatical to the point that they actively attempt homicide to promote their ideology. I admit I am ignorent on these 'hunger Games' and I only heard of this franchise last week, but already I see the trickling of their fanaticism. Already they havbe exposed themselves as having rascist elements attatched to them. Do these 'tweets' represent the majority of the fanbase? Of course not, but do they represent a segment of it, in the immortal words of Sarah Palin 'You Betcha!'

Lol, you should see the WW fan base.

Also judging something based on its fanbase? Seriously?

[spark627]

Stephenie Meyer (author of the Twilight series) endorsed the book on her website, saying, "I was so obsessed with this book....The Hunger Games is amazing."

Game. Set. Match.

You are really grasping at straws here. She also endorsed Percy Jackson, so do you hate that as well?

So in your opinion, anyone that likes both Hunger Games and Twilight signals to you that Hunger Games is shit?

[kelly_warrior_princess]

The plot somewhat resembles Battle Royale.

Battle Royal without the teeth (the book version that is, not the movie, though that had teeth too). I'll admit i have not seen the movie, but i have read the books (the first two books atleast) & I was severly under impressed by the first two books: They aren't bad books, but a lot of the hype is undeserved. Essentially i think that a lot of Hunger Games popularity is as a rebound book... You've just been dumped by the Harry Potter series & now you've rebounded to the first new book series to come along & Hunger Games was that book. An while you know that Hunger Games is not the love of your life like you thought Harry Potter was, you keep on talking up Hunger Games, pretending that it possess the same qualities as HP even though it clearly doesn't; so you don't have to admit to yourself that you've traded down.

Its by no means a bad book, though it would have been greatly improved had it aimed for a slightly old demographic, so that the writing could be properly reflective of the themes in the book. Also the writing itself was a poor fit for the story it was trying to tell: It was to much in the way of passive language versus active language; to much introspection on actions already taken, not enough on actions to be taken. Never a good sign in a book with that much action in it. To much of what was going on in her own head & not enough of what was going on around her. An even the goings ons inside her own head was never really all that interesting from a speculative science fiction angle (yes i know that wasn't its intention). An then when the second book just goes over the same material a second time i was incredibly bored. I've yet to muster the strength for the third book, because frankly the "arse kicking female hero" aspect of the book is lacking. Katniss is not an arse kicking hero as many people keep on trying to portray her: She just gets dragged along, with little in the way of positive action on her behalf. Stuff happens to her, but usually as her existance being the catalyst, rather then by her own hand. Frankly i would say that Katniss lacks the apparent agency to be considered an arse kicking hero.

Dystopian future, teenagers forced to fight to the death in reality television. Pretty dreary stuff, actually. And unlike Twilight, not at all bad. For one thing, it's not setting feminism back three decades nor is it drenched in religious propaganda.

To be fair, twilight didn't set back feminism by 30 years, it set back women (one is not a synonym for the other). Also i'd go so far as to say it set back society, not so much women, as the male role in the story was pretty darn asanine & equally unflattering.

And look at some of this fan art. Do you really think it would be hard to sell a Wonder Woman movie to the people who drew this stuff?
http://io9.com/5893983/the-girl-who-...-games-fan-art

Yes i do think it would be a hard sell. Since Wonder Woman shares no other feature with Katniss then posessing similiar sexual cofiguration. See this is the problem with this logic people keep on using: The people who flocked to this movie did not flock to it because Katniss is a girl, they flocked to it because they enjoyed the book series. These same people couldn't give two flying caped crusaders in an invisible jet for Wonder Woman. I mean really its the same as when people4 stupidly point to this movie & then say "i see a WW movie in the near future because of this movie." Its a silly statement, as there have been plenty of female action movie heroes through the years & it never resulted in a Wonder Woman film: So why would it now?

[Cowtools]

Stephenie Meyer (author of the Twilight series) endorsed the book on her website, saying, "I was so obsessed with this book....The Hunger Games is amazing."

Game. Set. Match.

So? I can't paint, but I can recognize a great painting.
Check the back cover. Stephen King also endorsed it. In fact he wrote a full review for Entertainment Weekly.
Or doesnt he meet your high critical standards either?

[spark627]

Stephenie Meyer (author of the Twilight series) endorsed the book on her website, saying, "I was so obsessed with this book....The Hunger Games is amazing."

Game. Set. Match.

12 year olds 10 years ago endorsed Pokemon such as your avatar.

Game. Set. Match.


See how stupid that is?

[Cowtools]

Yes i do think it would be a hard sell. Since Wonder Woman shares no other feature with Katniss then posessing similiar sexual cofiguration. See this is the problem with this logic people keep on using: The people who flocked to this movie did not flock to it because Katniss is a girl, they flocked to it because they enjoyed the book series. These same people couldn't give two flying caped crusaders in an invisible jet for Wonder Woman. I mean really its the same as when people4 stupidly point to this movie & then say "i see a WW movie in the near future because of this movie." Its a silly statement, as there have been plenty of female action movie heroes through the years & it never resulted in a Wonder Woman film: So why would it now?

Well because those movies were largely made by and for men. The women were not playing three-dimensional characters with proper story arcs, but we're models and celebrities in skintight outfits used for titillation. Remember the failure of Sucker Punch.

The success of The Hunger Games is not just because the books were popular. His Dark Materials and the Lemony Snicket books were popular, and those films tanked. Why? Because they weren't good films.

THG is a good film, made by people who care about the source material, who have respect for the audience, who correctly presented the themes of the material, and who cast believable actors in appropriate roles.
And it had a female protagonist.

So all we're suggesting is, if they can do that for THG, why can't they do it for Wonder Woman, now that the know it can pay off.

[Cowtools]

And this is why this movie wont help WW, unless of course they make a movie that feels like a Twilight movie: Cliche teen romance with some action. Which isnt WW at all.

But The Hunger Games is completely unlike Twilight, and boys and girls of all ages turned up for it.
Just like Hollywood, we need to get away from the idea that all girls want from movies is sappy romantic angst.

[Cowtools]

No, but i thought it was like that from all the posts here. What's it like?

It's just a really powerful story, satisfyingly told; and it stars the strongest young female hero of recent times.
Look up some of the links I posted on the previous page and decide for yourself

[Reginleif]

You are really grasping at straws here. She also endorsed Percy Jackson, so do you hate that as well?

I saw the movie and it was not very good, so yeah...

So in your opinion, anyone that likes both Hunger Games and Twilight signals to you that Hunger Games is shit?

No, its just I keep being told that these books are so different, yet the same demographic and people who like one like the other.

I am only hostile to these books because before last week, I had never even heard about these books and suddenly I am told they are the greatest things since the stirrup. Immediately I am suspicious because I resent all things related to populism, specifically when its white, female, middle class teenagers who have a notoriously bad history of endorsing terrible books. This book may have deep philosophical implications, but from what I have read, the same core tenet of Twilight, the love triangle. Also I am certain that the mob that saw the movie opening night missed most of the higher themes and were just interested in the violence and romance.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Well because those movies were largely made by and for men. The women were not playing three-dimensional characters with proper story arcs, but we're models and celebrities in skintight outfits used for titillation. Remember the failure of Sucker Punch.

i'm sorry but no. Again this is one of those asanine logical jumps that just doesn't work. There is this idea that anything where half the movie isn't talking about our feelings is obviously not for women & thats wrong. Take Aliens for instance , a female-centric series about a female character, who legitimately kicks arse & would chew gum had she had any available at the time. So poular they made three more movies, the last one even needed to reincarnate the main character just to work. an then there is the zomberiffic "Resident Evil" series, which is constantly front linned by female heroes. Both huge series & you disregard them with such broad strokes. the fact is that there are plenty of action movies & science fiction movies with female stars as headliners: So please let this nonsense about there not being any female action heroes, die as it deserves to.

The success of The Hunger Games is not just because the books were popular. His Dark Materials and the Lemony Snicket books were popular, and those films tanked. Why? Because they weren't good films.

LOLwhat? Of course the popularity of the movies is due to the popularity of the books: To say otherwise is like saying that the popularity of the Harry Potter movies, or the Twilight movies was not due to the books. To assume otherwise is counter to reality.

THG is a good film, made by people who care about the source material, who have respect for the audience, who correctly presented the themes of the material, and who cast believable actors in appropriate roles.
And it had a female protagonist.

Respectfully i'm going to have to disagree on the female protagonist being the contributing factor in this characters popularity. Her gender is immaterial to her popularity.

So all we're suggesting is, if they can do that for THG, why can't they do it for Wonder Woman, now that the know it can pay off.

Because it won't pay off, because the demographic for Hunger games doesn't care for Wonder Woman. Really its a pretty simple equation: Popular book series + movie about popular book series = box office gold.

Upon reflection Wonder Womans formula goes like this: Character who people care more about hypothetically then in any real way + movie about character who people care more about hypothetically then in any real way, but will still analyse to death in minutae = why bother putting in the effort, its practically bound for both genral failure & to be raged at by the WW fandom. There really is no compelling reason why the would be or should be a Wonder Woman movie. We are after all talking about a tiny fandom, who are more interested in plucking apart the political ramifications & there connection to the history of the feminist movement, then actually, you know "enjoying the movie."

Not trying to be rude about it, just dispelling the sillyness around this subject.