Don't EVER disrespect Steve Trevor!!!: Revelations of a mysterious boyfriend.

[brettc1]

As for Tom Tresser, Gail Simone got it wrong when she paired up those two. Altho Tresser has some game, his game would only work on a non-SH, insecure girl. The only instance when she'd want to even date him was if she was desperate & let down her guards (or removed her bracelets). Even then, she would not invest in Tresser longterm. There's just no true connection of loving needs like there is with Steve. He has no life mission that aligns with hers. He doesn't challenge her personally; he just goes along with whatever. Him simply looking like Brad Pitt would not be enough to get her deeply attracted. At best, if at all, they'd casually date once in a while, but nothing beyond that or deep...and that's provided Steve is unavailable.

Oh it is ON!!!

First, Tom is awesome! Check out Nemesis The Imposters for examples of awesomeness. He sabotages the Batmobile and crashes the Bat-Computer. He invents the devices by which he shafts Batman. Yeah, I know it was Dick, but Bruce built the tech and Tom took it down.

Took. It. DOWN!

BOO-YAH!!

Speaking of which, he is as brave as Batman but is not insanely driven, which means you are not going to have the same clash of personalities.

You want other examples of awesome - I will graciously provide them. He breaks up with Wonder Woman. BREAKS UP WITH HER! Why - because he does not just think with his penis, and has a set of values he lives by. He is also a character of great depth - he knows his not good enough for her, and it haunts him. He is funny, charming and lets be honest - sexy as hell!!! How many times did Tom have his shirt off while he was in the book? The simple answer is not enough!

Tom Tresser as written in Vol 3 was, IMO, the perfect rendition of a real guy in a super-hero world. Batman is so far beyond the average human being he might as well be called a super-human, but Tom is one of us. And its no coincidence that Nathan Fillions's work in the animated movie was very much the voice of Steve Tresser.

[Mr. Holmes]

There's no doubt that Tom Tresser was basically a post-crisis pastiche of Steve Trevor. At least now we have the real deal in JL.

[brettc1]

There's no doubt that Tom Tresser was basically a post-crisis pastiche of Steve Trevor. At least now we have the real deal in JL.

Has Steve Trevor ever invented devices which can confound Batman? Steve is great and I llike him in JL, but only because he reminds me of Tom. No, Tom is not a second rate Steve, he is a first rate double serve of awesome with sexy sauce and side order of fries.

[Mr. Holmes]

Has Steve Trevor ever invented devices which can confound Batman? Steve is great and I llike him in JL, but only because he reminds me of Tom. No, Tom is not a second rate Steve, he is a first rate double serve of awesome with sexy sauce and side order of fries.

Well he was created to be a super-spy, but I felt his character changed a lot once they made him Wonder Woman's boyfriend. He went from a badass spy to a Steve Trevor pastiche. I agree Nemesis was pretty cool otherwise though.

[DisneyBoy]

Hi again. Glad you replied to my concerns about your tone...

As for the apparent arrogance, part of it is the internet's lack of body language. 10% of communication is your words, about 30% is your tone. That leaves a great 70% left out.

I completely agree that words on a page or screen sometimes can't transmit body language...but it's not the lack of body language that's proving the problem here. Consider this:

Plus you do realize I'm a bboy, right? The way we are is the opposite of modest! But we're willing to back it up!

Plus, I'm trying to have FUN! And I'm trying to crack you guys up, partly. Did you see the post entitled "I had a Marstonian dream"? That was meant to be FUNNY. Why aren't you laughing?

The first time I read that, I thought you'd made a spelling mistake when typing the word "boy". Then I realized you meant "B-Boy" as in a breakdancer (thank you, So You Think You Can Dance). That's all fine and well, but the way you speak to someone when you're talking in a dance competition is very challenging. You want to provoke a reaction, or stir them up, or show them how you're better/smarter/tougher than they are. Here in this thread, that tone has seeped into all of your posts. You're challenging us - the "mainstreamers" apparently - to see things your way.

But here's the thing...this isn't dance competition, and this is our house. Our place to talk about Wonder Woman intelligently and kindly. We work hard to keep this place friendly and fun for everyone...and while you haven't been cruel or mean or anything, you have basically barged in with an abrasive tone, and started telling us that if we don't like how you're behaving, we should get with the program. Or that we're the ones who aren't getting the joke.

If you were trying to be funny and friendly, it hasn't come off that way. If you don't spend much time writing to others online, I can see why that would be a stumbling block for you, but know that humor is probably one of the hardest things to try to write. It's nice that you're confident and all, but...you need to take things a bit slower. We're just getting to know you, and you're just getting to know us.

And you have to admit, it's pretty arrogant to say "I'm going to try and SAVE Wonder Woman!" You're a fan, like all of us. Welcome to the party - pull up a chair! But none of us has any say in how this character is written or promoted. That's in DC's hands. Though from time to time, we have made small differences (like getting issue 600 numbered that way). Plus, Wonder Woman isn't in need of saving. The current title is apparently doing well.

Just so my tone is clear, know that I'm not angry with you or trying to make you feel bad. I think you should try to find a way to be connected online more than two days every year - it's a fantastic resource, and you'd get to meet some nice people (like the ones here).

But for future reference, treat message boards as you would someone else's house. You enter, say a polite hello and maybe ask a question and let people warm up to you. I guess that's not what your used to in your day-to-day life, but it'll serve you well online, where manners are always key to communication.

Now, as for your comment about that magazine taking issue with the picture of a woman with a man on-top of her...sure that's a normal way for men and women to engage in the horizontal mambo...but to say that you know that all women need to "submit" is pretty (here it comes again) arrogant. What about women who like to be on-top of their men during the sex act? Or women who like to tie their men up, or use a strap-on? I don't think it's useful to make blanket generalizations about women. Especially when you present yourself as a macho, B-Boy type who is trying to be funny with his opinions. I know plenty of gals who wouldn't much care for your take on their sexuality. Plus, I know guys who love being submissive with women, and having them dominate them. Different strokes for different folks.

As for your distaste for feminists in general, I think they definitely serve a purpose. We live in a world where a woman in the workplace may not get promoted because she might have kids. In the eyes of some male bosses, that makes her less competent. We also live in a world where women's genitals are mutilated in some cultures, purely to make them more "clean" for the men in their societies. And as for perfume ads and fashion ads, they almost all have rake-thin models lying uselessly about, semi-undressed and looking like they've been drugged. It's not empowering or respectful. Men are depicted in the media as strong go-getters and women are shown to be obsessed with their looks and men in general. I'm glad there are agencies out there that try to limit the ways in which women are seen as weak sexual objects.

That's what's so great about Diana, when she's well-written and drawn. She's strong with a healthy body and her costume, while sexy, is about her culture. She's proof that women don't have to all be 100 pounds and doing only whatever men think is appropriate to be considered real women.

It's interesting that you see yourself in Wonder Woman, because I don't think Diana would just barge into the UN one day and start telling everyone to listen up because she's got ideas. She came in quietly and listened, adding her opinion to the conversation and standing by her beliefs. So, if you take that road, I'm sure we'll enjoy having you around here for more than two days.

:)

[JimRaynor55]

I actually read through some of his ideas for a WW screenplay yesterday. I didn't agree with them all, but found some of them pretty good. Like giving Ares an Antichrist-like son on Earth who would fan the flames of prejudice and war. So he seems OK, on fictional matters.

But denouncing feminists simply for protesting ads, claiming that women haven't had it worse than men, and saying that women are supposed to naturally be submissive? Then refusing to back that up with examples when asked? That's got to stop. You don't make comments like that and then refuse to explain them.

EDIT:

Youre missing the POINT. Anyone can dislike any ad that they want. But not the point of rallying against it! Becuz if you do that with such ads, that is RIDICLOUS! That's you having issues with yourSELF. Dominance-submission is a NATURAL state within men & women! women were wired to submit, it feels great to them. the problem is when they have their trust broken while being submissive. But submission itself by women is nothing to be ashamed of! yes, I know I learned that thru my PUA studies, but thru my own actual experiences with women & social interaction, I found that theory to be very true.

Feminists need to just GET OVER IT.

By the way, this ad made the news just today:



Should people get over that one to? Because you seem to have a problem with simply rallying against an ad that they don't like.

[coveredinbees]

lmfao
That's awful.

[BrettJett]

Hey. Not putting Tom down. Just saying that he would not be the type that WW would go for....according to her psych profile.

[BrettJett]

Yeah, but you see...I'm not the only one! There are whole communities who echo my sentiments...PUAs and psychologists, etc.

[BrettJett]

Hi
Now, as for your comment about that magazine taking issue with the picture of a woman with a man on-top of her...sure that's a normal way for men and women to engage in the horizontal mambo...but to say that you know that all women need to "submit" is pretty (here it comes again) arrogant. What about women who like to be on-top of their men during the sex act? Or women who like to tie their men up, or use a strap-on? I don't think it's useful to make blanket generalizations about women. Especially when you present yourself as a macho, B-Boy type who is trying to be funny with his opinions. I know plenty of gals who wouldn't much care for your take on their sexuality. Plus, I know guys who love being submissive with women, and having them dominate them. Different strokes for different folks.

As for your distaste for feminists in general, I think they definitely serve a purpose. We live in a world where a woman in the workplace may not get promoted because she might have kids. In the eyes of some male bosses, that makes her less competent. We also live in a world where women's genitals are mutilated in some cultures, purely to make them more "clean" for the men in their

That's what's so great about Diana, when she's well-written and drawn. She's strong with a healthy body and her costume, while sexy, is about her culture. She's proof that women don't have to all be 100 pounds and doing only whatever men think is appropriate to be considered real women.

It's interesting that you see yourself in Wonder Woman, because I don't think Diana would just barge into the UN one day and start telling everyone to listen up because she's got ideas. She came in quietly and listened, adding her opinion to the conversation and standing by her beliefs. So, if you take that road, I'm sure we'll enjoy having you around here for more than two days.

:)

Clarifying here: I am NOT advocating that women NEED to submit...I'm saying they WANT to...its in women's nature to submit. The problem comes when the trust of that submission is violated. This phenomena is a psychological phenom, which is also dramatized & allegorized in Marstonial mythology...ie. Hippolyta submitting to Hercules, then having that trust violated.
That's all.

Speaking of which, you're not really sure if its just YOU refusing to submit? Its that dominance emotion clashing with another dominance emotion that is causing this uneasiness in you. One of needs to either yield, or try compliance (or both of us). As Dr. Marston said, its abnormal & unhealthy to have un-fulfilled dominance energy in you...it HAS to go somewhere.

My only distate for feminists is that they NEED to be tempered with scientific doctrines. I am not against their goals! Like I said in my previous post, and to Gloria Steinem herself (I wrote her a letter last week), me & feminist have the same goals! Its just that I have something more concrete in my doctrines than just bias POV of women.

As for what you say Diana would do...Hell YEAH she would barge into the UN! IF she lost her patience. She's not perfect. She does have tempers, aggression, but only when its warranted. Only AFTER cooling down, or finding a reason to reassess, would she do what you just described. Yes...she is human...not a goddess. As am I.


--Brett Jett...WW's #1 loverboy, and human.

[BrettJett]

Here's the thing about psych theories that PUAs use...

They're more accurate than most. Why? Becuz we USE them to our success. If the theories weren't sound, then we would not be able to do what we do...seduction, comfort building, escalation, relationship management, etc.

Any theory that doesn't help us produce results, we drop it.

[BrettJett]

Hi again. Glad you replied to my concerns about your tone...

But here's the thing...this isn't dance competition, and this is our house. Our place to talk about Wonder Woman intelligently and kindly. We work hard to keep this place friendly and fun for everyone...and while you haven't been cruel or mean or anything, you have basically barged in with an abrasive tone, and started telling us that if we don't like how you're behaving, we should get with the program. Or that we're the ones who aren't getting the joke.

If you were trying to be funny and friendly, it hasn't come off that way. If you don't spend much time writing to others online, I can see why that would be a stumbling block for you, but know that humor is probably one of the hardest things to try to write. It's nice that you're confident and all, but...you need to take things a bit slower. We're just getting to know you, and you're just getting to know us.

And you have to admit, it's pretty arrogant to say "I'm going to try and SAVE Wonder Woman!" You're a fan, like all of us. Welcome to the party - pull up a chair! But none of us has any say in how this character is written or promoted. That's in DC's hands. Though from time to time, we have made small differences (like getting issue 600 numbered that way). Plus, Wonder Woman isn't in need of saving. The current title is apparently doing well.

Just so my tone is clear, know that I'm not angry with you or trying to make you feel bad. I think you should try to find a way to be connected online more than two days every year - it's a fantastic resource, and you'd get to meet some nice people (like the ones here).

But for future reference, treat message boards as you would someone else's house. You enter, say a polite hello and maybe ask a question and let people warm up to you. I guess that's not what your used to in your day-to-day life, but it'll serve you well online, where manners are always key to communication.
:)

You don't understnad. Bboys are bboys. Its not something you turn on/off. We are what we are. Its part of us, not an appendage. Just be glad that I'm "wearing my bracelets"...meaning, I do ahve it under control. You'll feel my swagger & appetite, but its never fully unconstrained.

And yes, I am trying to save WW...making the attempt. Its not arrogant, really. Gloria Steinem tried the same thing. I'm doing it too, albeit differently, with a psychological perspective rather than a feminist one. I am NOT a fan. I don't collect comics, I don't live by whatever DC feeds me. I am an aficionado. more specifically, an admirer. My main love of WW is of her being an ideal that I've kept in my head...and ideal I look for in women.

So are you going to help save her or just flip thru comics?

[brettc1]

Hey. Not putting Tom down. Just saying that he would not be the type that WW would go for....according to her psych profile.

Hello. Did I not point out sexy as hell! LOL

Intelligent. Honorable. Selfless. Funny. Complicated. Amazing kisser. Loyal. Courageous.



oh and SEXY AS HELL!!!!

[Superdog]

Can you save OMAC too? He's getting cancelled.

[DisneyBoy]

LOL! Thank you Superdog :)

Aaaaaand I'm out. Grow up, Mr Bboy. If you had half the wonderful traits you claim to possess, you'd know how to speak to people with respect and carry on a conversation without sounding like someone from Jersey Shore.