What can Marvel do to get you to buy the current Punisher book?

**Candid Rook** · 03-21-2012, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Craig

I didn't ever know the Franken-Castle story was cut short till I was reading the last few posts. I guess at most he had an outline, maybe a few rough drafts and had spoke about this other material in an interview? Is that how it's known about the Dirty Dozen and other ideas he had lined up for Franken-Castle?
It ended at what issue #23?

Rick mentioned in interviews that he had the run planned well into 2011. When Marvel changed the name of the book to Frankencastle he stated that it was to show that Marvel was committed to the change of status within the book, suggesting that it was going to last for quite a while instead of only 5 issues. He also mentioned that Frankencastle would be running into the Dirty Dozen. Finally when the book was cancelled Rick said that the only arc he had solidly planned out that he didn't get to tell was the Dirty Dozen arc but it was pretty obvious he was planning on doing more with Frankencastle. Frank had made a revenge list at the end of issue 17 which suggested future targets in the run. The wackiness of the storyline caused some outrage amongst fans but since Punisher MAX was still going at that time, which meant fans still had straight up Punisher stories, I don't know what all the unnecessary fuss was about. Alot of fans didn't seem to even really have an issue with the story quality, with many of them admitting it was well told. They more or less just had an issue with Franks appearance changing! Rick mentioned in a letters page that if he had told the exact same story but kept Frank's appearance the same no one would have complained. I think he is probably right.

It ended at issue 21.

**SpideyCzar** · 03-21-2012, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Don't pee in the (Dead)pool

Not really, still, you keep chuckling away.

I just find it funny a reader/fan would let who Edits a title dictate whether they read/buy/support that title or not. Just funny to me.

**Candid Rook** · 03-21-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by SpideyCzar

I just find it funny a reader/fan would let who Edits a title dictate whether they read/buy/support that title or not. Just funny to me.

Regardless of what posters think of Wacker, from what I have seen of his books he is a great editor. He seems to run a pretty tight ship with the books under his remit. At the end of the day thats what you want out of an editor and thats all that really matters.

**SpideyCzar** · 03-21-2012, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Candid Rook

Regardless of what posters think of Wacker, from what I have seen of his books he is a great editor. He seems to run a pretty tight ship with the books under his remit. At the end of the day thats what you want out of an editor and thats all that really matters.

I see another poster has the power of logic and reason.

I read comics for the characters and creators. Not the Editors or what the creators may say on message board forums or on their facebook accounts. If so i'd have stopped reading anything associated with Ethan Van Sciver as his political ramblings on Facebook hover on the brink of stupidity, same goes for several other comic book creators on Facebook, but I don't let that disuade me from buying their work if it interest me.

**Hulk_Is** · 03-21-2012, 01:31 PM

Yeah, I don't get why some posters (at least) don't like Wacker. The guy is hilarious and reading his qoutes on the letters page of the books he's editing and that I'm reading are entertaining. Different strokes for different folks.

**Chiasm** · 03-22-2012, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by SpideyCzar

I just find it funny a reader/fan would let who Edits a title dictate whether they read/buy/support that title or not. Just funny to me.

I don't read any Marvel anymore (I won't pay $3.99 and none of the remaining $2.99 books interest me) but if I did I would boycott all Wacker books simply for the way he's acted toward me and others on this forum. Customer service baby - if you treat your customers like dirt don't expect them to stick around.

**stephen wacker** · 03-22-2012, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Chiasm

I don't read any Marvel anymore (I won't pay $3.99 and none of the remaining $2.99 books interest me) but if I did I would boycott all Wacker books simply for the way he's acted toward me and others on this forum. Customer service baby - if you treat your customers like dirt don't expect them to stick around.

"like dirt"...heh...can you imagine?

SW

**Captain Craig** · 03-22-2012, 06:51 AM

^^^^
Wait! Is that for real the Real SW?
Like when Gail Simone was in the BOP threads on the ole DC Boards?

Cool!

**CTpitch** · 03-22-2012, 12:50 PM

What did he even do to get the hate?

**CrazyOldHermit** · 03-22-2012, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by CTpitch

What did he even do to get the hate?

I've seen him arguging with lots of users so maybe thats it?

**DrGregatron** · 03-22-2012, 05:14 PM

Tim Bradstreet on both interiors as well as covers. I'd buy that.

**Paladin King** · 03-22-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by CrazyOldHermit

I've seen him arguging with lots of users so maybe thats it?

I've never seen Wacker behave badly to a user where the user wasn't behaving badly to him. Wacker doesn't roll over when users try to "call him out" and often fires back. Subsequent boycotts based solely on these arguments kinda seems like a pouty, childish, "I'm taking my ball and going home" response, but to each his/her own.

Of course, consumed in self-righteous fury, many of those users are probably obliviously to the fact that they were also being inflammatory and may very well have even started the whole damned thing.

Anyway, I thought this last issue of Punisher was sort of weak, but I love the book at the moment. It stays true to the Punisher while also feeling like a very different, unique take. Very atmospheric as well.

That said, t hat upcoming Space Punisher thing? Yikes. Do not want. You might as well have Garth Ennis write a gritty, gangster-noir Fantastic Four MAX comic with sex, gore, and foul language a-plenty. Right, now that I've said that aloud, that actually sounds kind of awesome. Moving on.

**Ari Gold** · 03-22-2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Chiasm

Customer service baby - if you treat your customers like dirt don't expect them to stick around.

Ditto.
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**abugeorge** · 03-23-2012, 07:37 AM

Punisher omnibus by Rucka, which I'm sure will happen when enough issues have been out. I like Rucka and Punisher but I don't like monthlies, I'm a trade waiter/reader. Also, a reprint of Ennis' MK Punisher omnibus would be nice too.