Shooting death of Trayvon Martin

[StoneGold]

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...captain-032112

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...11-call-032112

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...n_martin031712
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Local Fox stations /= Fox News.

[Cavemold]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-isola...rtin-911-call/

Fox ,started news coverage on march 19th......

[skyvolt2000]

Regardless of him being attacked and the boy defending himself from a man whom is approaching him starting mess. It is still bullshit for you use your gun. Take your punches like a man and lose and move on. No this is the TYPE OF SHIT THAT GET ME MAD CUZ I LOST ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS ON THIS SAME SHIT but the difference is it is "black on black" so no need to national news. SMH

Well part of the reason why no tends to care about black on black crime is because how many times have we seen the community stand behind the criminal?

I can name 3-5 stories of black males getting killed by others and you won't believe how many supporters those killers have.

4 boys PUSHED another one into a train and killed him. 2 of the boys got 30 years and are PROUD of what they did. I've heard too many black folks say who cares that they killed some boy (who was sick from diabetes). Another one killed a boy because he was BORED and folks in the community supported the killer (who now in jail for robbery). Another one killed 1 and wounded 2 and got 2 years and has been arrest 45 times since getting out.

How many times have we seen the black community have parties for criminal getting out of jail? TI? How many movies and tv shows does he have? I have at least 100 former students with criminal rap sheets that would put the Bengals, Portland Trailblazers, Jeff Hardy and Pacman Jones to shame. I mean how times can a guy beat a child before someone says enough and go to jail?

So if you are an outsider look in-you would think the black community does nothing but support criminal behavior. We want justice for that 95% of black males killed by black males-We need to be just as vocal for them as we are for this case.

[Kasper Cole]

Oh, totally. Gotta start somewhere. But, and that's the catch 22, the ball didn't start rolling till EVERYONE started getting outraged.


Now, on the plus side, everyone is getting outraged. Except, you know, assholes. Martyr is a shitty word to throw around, mostly because it's not too hard to guess that Trayvon and his family would rather he not be one, but his death has brought people together against a shitty social structure in a big way.

Although I still think most people are missing the Sanford cops for Zimmerman's ugly mug. Let's face it, even if he hadn't committed a heinous act, he has a face you just want to punch. Which is distracting from the tacit approval of the murder, which in the long run is more dangerous than the murder itself.

I can agree with this. The problem is that when dealing with shady police behavior there's a bit of circling of wagons and news networks often place their heads in the sand. In New York a bunch of cops were busted fixing tickets, planting evidence, arresting innocent people and just being flat out racist, but it never really got the level of coverage it deserved. Same goes for the problems in the New Orleans police department and BART Police shootings.

[Kasper Cole]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-isola...rtin-911-call/

Fox ,started news coverage on march 19th......

Yeah, weeks after other networks had already been running the story. So your claim that Fox has been covering it just as much as other news networks is incorrect.

[DonC]

So let me get this straight - first it was Trayvon's fault for running, now it's his fault for allegedly staying and standing his ground?

In what circumstances would it not be Trayvon's fault for getting shot, in the minds of right-wing racists? I can't help but wonder.

I think Cavemold's link says it's Martin's fault for jumping someone who was walking back to his SUV, then beating his ass.

Of course, there's plenty of blame to go around. Zimmerman shouldn't have been out there to begin with.

[Moose100]

If you look at the community with a closed mind. I could see how one could come to that conclusion. NOt to mention the media plays up the criminal elements in the community. Add to that the disproportionate targeting of black males by police, the harsh penalties of them in education and many other institutions you have a toxic yet manufactured mix.

One can almost say it's social engineering.

Well part of the reason why no tends to care about black on black crime is because how many times have we seen the community stand behind the criminal?

I can name 3-5 stories of black males getting killed by others and you won't believe how many supporters those killers have.

4 boys PUSHED another one into a train and killed him. 2 of the boys got 30 years and are PROUD of what they did. I've heard too many black folks say who cares that they killed some boy (who was sick from diabetes). Another one killed a boy because he was BORED and folks in the community supported the killer (who now in jail for robbery). Another one killed 1 and wounded 2 and got 2 years and has been arrest 45 times since getting out.

How many times have we seen the black community have parties for criminal getting out of jail? TI? How many movies and tv shows does he have? I have at least 100 former students with criminal rap sheets that would put the Bengals, Portland Trailblazers, Jeff Hardy and Pacman Jones to shame. I mean how times can a guy beat a child before someone says enough and go to jail?

So if you are an outsider look in-you would think the black community does nothing but support criminal behavior. We want justice for that 95% of black males killed by black males-We need to be just as vocal for them as we are for this case.

[Spike-X]

I think Cavemold's link says it's Martin's fault for jumping someone who was walking back to his SUV, then beating his ass.

Suuuuuuuure he did. And we're only just now hearing about this.

If that story was any more suspicious, it would be wearing a hoodie and carrying a bag of candy.

Of course, there's plenty of blame to go around. Zimmerman shouldn't have been out there to begin with.

Seriously. Dude needs to get a fuckin' life.

[Moose100]

I think Cavemold's link says it's Martin's fault for jumping someone who was walking back to his SUV, then beating his ass.

Of course, there's plenty of blame to go around. Zimmerman shouldn't have been out there to begin with.

Don't believe he was walking back. WHy would someone with a gun be like "ho hum I will walk back to my vehicle now"

I believe he aimed to harm Martin, and MAYBE Martin landed some blows. But that changes that narrative doesn't it. People keep forgetting that Martin is entitled to defend himself as well.

[Kasper Cole]

Well part of the reason why no tends to care about black on black crime is because how many times have we seen the community stand behind the criminal?

I can name 3-5 stories of black males getting killed by others and you won't believe how many supporters those killers have.

4 boys PUSHED another one into a train and killed him. 2 of the boys got 30 years and are PROUD of what they did. I've heard too many black folks say who cares that they killed some boy (who was sick from diabetes). Another one killed a boy because he was BORED and folks in the community supported the killer (who now in jail for robbery). Another one killed 1 and wounded 2 and got 2 years and has been arrest 45 times since getting out.

How many times have we seen the black community have parties for criminal getting out of jail? TI? How many movies and tv shows does he have? I have at least 100 former students with criminal rap sheets that would put the Bengals, Portland Trailblazers, Jeff Hardy and Pacman Jones to shame. I mean how times can a guy beat a child before someone says enough and go to jail?

So if you are an outsider look in-you would think the black community does nothing but support criminal behavior. We want justice for that 95% of black males killed by black males-We need to be just as vocal for them as we are for this case.

I think part of the reason you see that is because the Black Community knows how unfair the justice system can toward us. Criminal behavior should be punished, but the punishments should be fair, but a lot of the time that isn't the case. Not saying that justifies dumb ass responses to things like this, but it does explain that mentality a little bit.

I should also point out that defense of the indefensible isn't exclusive to the Black Community either. There were people coming to the defense of that group of kids who beat and ran over that black male in Mississippi.

[Moose100]

That was straight awful.

I think part of the reason you see that is because the Black Community knows how unfair the justice system can toward us. Criminal behavior should be punished, but the punishments should be fair, but a lot of the time that isn't the case. Not saying that justifies dumb ass responses to things like this, but it does explain that mentality a little bit.

I should also point out that defense of the indefensible isn't exclusive to the Black Community either. There were people coming to the defense of that group of kids who beat and ran over that black male in Mississippi.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

So let me get this straight - first it was Trayvon's fault for running, now it's his fault for allegedly staying and standing his ground?

In what circumstances would it not be Trayvon's fault for getting shot, in the minds of right-wing racists? I can't help but wonder.

I'm telling you ....its Trayvon's fault for not trying to fall into those bullets.

[StoneGold]

I can agree with this. The problem is that when dealing with shady police behavior there's a bit of circling of wagons and news networks often place their heads in the sand. In New York a bunch of cops were busted fixing tickets, planting evidence, arresting innocent people and just being flat out racist, but it never really got the level of coverage it deserved. Same goes for the problems in the New Orleans police department and BART Police shootings.

And that's why I'm saying Zimmerman, in the long run, is a distraction. At this point, I almost don't even care whether he was justified or not. I care more why the cops didn't bother to check. Because again, shitheels do what shitheels do, but they get away with it only because of tacit approval from corrupt organizations.


Hell, for that matter, if Zimmerman had been charged with something... do you really think we would be having this conversation at all? As shitty as it is to say, innocent people get murdered for horrible, horrible reasons all the time. And it rarely makes national news, and usually only then because there's some kind of extra hook. This isn't about Trayvon's murder. This is about the tacit approval (and yes, I like that phrase) of Trayvon's murder by the Sanford PD. And focusing on the specifics of the murder, while I can understand it, is a distraction from the larger, scarier miscarriage of justice.

That said, it's easier to place the blame on an individual than an organization. And as I said, Zimmerman has a face that is just oh so punchable. Seriously, even if he hadn't murdered a kid, just look at his picture, tell me you don't want to rattail his ass?

[Moose100]

The fascinating thing is that it still persists. People are still trying to find an angle that Trayvon somehow did something wrong. I mean if the white person was wrong the black person was wrong too right?

[Moose100]

Lmfao rattail indeed.

But I am outraged on all fronts. The idea that he practically had a trial on the side of the road, coupled with the profiling is inescapable. This was a racist act all the way around.

And that's why I'm saying Zimmerman, in the long run, is a distraction. At this point, I almost don't even care whether he was justified or not. I care more why the cops didn't bother to check. Because again, shitheels do what shitheels do, but they get away with it only because of tacit approval from corrupt organizations.


Hell, for that matter, if Zimmerman had been charged with something... do you really think we would be having this conversation at all? As shitty as it is to say, innocent people get murdered for horrible, horrible reasons all the time. And it rarely makes national news, and usually only then because there's some kind of extra hook. This isn't about Trayvon's murder. This is about the tacit approval (and yes, I like that phrase) of Trayvon's murder by the Sanford PD. And focusing on the specifics of the murder, while I can understand it, is a distraction from the larger, scarier miscarriage of justice.

That said, it's easier to place the blame on an individual than an organization. And as I said, Zimmerman has a face that is just oh so punchable. Seriously, even if he hadn't murdered a kid, just look at his picture, tell me you don't want to rattail his ass?