Shooting death of Trayvon Martin

[The Cool Thatguy]

Maybe, but your aggressor should also end up with some evidence on their fists when they bare knuckle repeatedly punch you, as Zimmerman claims. Mortician has been quoted as saying Trayvon's body had no signs of being involved in a physical struggle, as Zimmerman contends.

I should say, that the Zimmerman camp has, at one time contended that. They've changed stories a few times. I think at some point, a smart lawyer got their family to all shut up before they made the case any harder for themselves at trial.

I thought it was recently revealed that Trayvon's knuckles had some tearing?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yes but Zimmerman is a victim in a larger sense in that he's part of the oppressed white masses constantly terrorized and brutalized by the black/Jewish/homosexual power structure.

...Zimmerman isn't white by the most agreed upon definition

[IamtheRock3]

surprise they didnt go for manslaughter and leave it at that

easier case

what they going for now kind of hard to prove. Remember Zimmerman doesnt have to prove a dang thing
It up to the prosecutors

just know if I go down to florida..going to be on my best behair..and only dress in Bill Cosby like sweaters

[Iangould]

...Zimmerman isn't white by the most agreed upon definition

Do you think that matters to self-pitying whites who constantly want play the victim card?

What matters isn't what happened it's what bigots can pretend to believe happened in order to support the belief that whites are the most oppressed and discriminated-against ethnic group in the US.

If he was dating their sisters he'd be a dirty spic but as it is he's a poster boy for white people's God-given right to use lethal force against black people.

[Moose100]

Pretty much..

Do you think that matters to self-pitying whites who constantly want play the victim card?

What matters isn't what happened it's what bigots can pretend to believe happened in order to support the belief that whites are the most oppressed and discriminated-against ethnic group in the US.

If he was dating their sisters he'd be a dirty spic but as it is he's a poster boy for white people's God-given right to use lethal force against black people.

[pariah-1972]

The medical report is going to be pretty important i think.

I find it hard to believe personally that he was beaten so bad he was in fear for his life yet he decided not to go to the hospital with supposedly serious wounds and instead decided to go see his family doctor the next day.
those two things contradict themselves in my opinion and while i find it hard to believe a family doctor would go out of his way and ruin his career and reputation over some dimwit like Zimmerman we have obviously seen the police have no qualms about doing the same thing.

I guess his defense could say that his injuries showed up more or he was in more pain the next day but it still goes to show that if this is true he probably wasn't in fear for his life.


It's also possible that he could have had a friend give him those injuries afterwards but you would have to speculate that he knew where exactly to put the injuries on himself to correlate with the ones that were seen at the seen of the crime.. so unless the injuries his doctor say don't match up with the injuries the cops and the medical personal did see it's gonna be hard to prove.

[Iangould]

Or he received first aid at the scene or at the police station and was told that his injuries probably weren't life-threatening but to see his doctor the next day just in case.

[worstblogever]

I thought it was recently revealed that Trayvon's knuckles had some tearing?

Minimal. One quarter-inch abrasion below the knuckle, closer to the fingernail, on his ring finger. Which is a pretty hard place to get from a closed fist. That's not consistent with what you'd see in a struggle. But that's not the most interesting thing the autopsy report says...

The interesting part is in concluded that Trayvon was shot at "intermediate" and not "near-contact" range. Meaning, Zimmerman's claims (that keep changing, of course) that he shot Trayvon in the midst of a physical struggle where he was having the life beat out of him by a kid he outweighed by 50 lbs. may be bogus.

Shocking, I know.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Minimal. One quarter-inch abrasion below the knuckle, closer to the fingernail, on his ring finger. Which is a pretty hard place to get from a closed fist. That's not consistent with what you'd see in a struggle. But that's not the most interesting thing the autopsy report says...

The interesting part is in concluded that Trayvon was shot at "intermediate" and not "near-contact" range. Meaning, Zimmerman's claims (that keep changing, of course) that he shot Trayvon in the midst of a physical struggle where he was having the life beat out of him by a kid he outweighed by 50 lbs. may be bogus.

Shocking, I know.

Damn, dunno why I never thought to ask about that. So basically there are no powder burns on Trayvon's clothes?

Christ, if that's the case then someone needs to point that out to the media, because that would easily cook Zimmerman's goose.

[Iangould]

Also from that MSNBC link:

Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp.

Which I interpret as "the patient says his nose hurt and that he'd been struck in the nose and he had been bleedng from the nose."

[worstblogever]

Damn, dunno why I never thought to ask about that. So basically there are no powder burns on Trayvon's clothes?

Christ, if that's the case then someone needs to point that out to the media, because that would easily cook Zimmerman's goose.

From that earlier link on the difference between "near contact" and "intermediate" forensic evidence:

In near-contact wounds, the muzzle is not in contact with the skin, but is very close. In this case, the powder grains do not have a chance to disperse and leave a powder tattooing. The entrance wound is surrounded by a wide zone of powder soot, and seared, blackened skin. In intermediate-range wounds, the muzzle is held away from the skin but close enough that it still produces powder tattooing. This type of wound is also characterized by numerous reddish-brown to orange-red lesions around the entrance to the wound. Finally, distant gunshot wounds leave no marks other than those produced by the bullet perforating the skin.

The autopsy report did just become public, and news, so be ready for that to be in the news cycle today.


What it means to me is... one way or another, Zimmerman is a liar. Zimmerman's last claim was that in the midst of a scuffle where he was being beaten about the head, and having it smashed against the ground by Trayvon, that he had to pull his gun and shoot him to defend himself. Now, we have no powder to indicate the shooting was from close range, nor is there any of Trayvon's blood on Zimmerman (in spite of the fact that Trayvon was supposed to be on top of him during the shooting). Thus, there are three possibilities:

• There was a scuffle, but it would have had to have been after Trayvon had started putting a beating on Zimmerman and he was calling for help that he pulled out his gun and was walking away, that he shot the young man, thinking he was preventing him from escaping from the scene of his assault. That is not a justifiable homicide, even under "Stand Your Ground". This would make sense if the claims about the scuffle, and Zimmerman's injuries are true, as well as his claims that the screams were his.
• He never got into a scuffle with Trayvon, as he claims, and shot him while Trayvon was facing him, and possibly about to attack with no weapons, other than a 150 lb. teenager's balled up fists and some Skittles.
• Trayvon never attacked, and was executed at gunpoint, and the screams heard were Trayvon begging for his life before he shot him at close distance. All evidence and claims by Zimmerman about the screams, his injuries, and the scuffle would be false in this.

Even if you try and give Zimmerman's story the benefit of the doubt (which a jury is supposed to), the evidence on Trayvon's body is showing he's a liar. Any supposed injuries he has could have been self-inflicted before he saw his personal physician, and there is no sign of them on the police video, nor any consistent damage on Trayvon's body to indicate he assaulted Zimmerman.

From day one, this case it least needed an investigation, and arrest. It almost didn't happen, and now, lo and behold, it turns out it looks like the justice system did need to get involved. This is far from clear cut.

[Nate Grey]

• Trayvon never attacked, and was executed at gunpoint, and the screams heard were Trayvon begging for his life before he shot him at close distance. All evidence and claims by Zimmerman about the screams, his injuries, and the scuffle would be false in this.

Yeah I'm going with this one. I've believed this all along.

[Nick Soapdish]

Minimal. One quarter-inch abrasion below the knuckle, closer to the fingernail, on his ring finger. Which is a pretty hard place to get from a closed fist. That's not consistent with what you'd see in a struggle. But that's not the most interesting thing the autopsy report says...

The interesting part is in concluded that Trayvon was shot at "intermediate" and not "near-contact" range. Meaning, Zimmerman's claims (that keep changing, of course) that he shot Trayvon in the midst of a physical struggle where he was having the life beat out of him by a kid he outweighed by 50 lbs. may be bogus.

Shocking, I know.

Intermediate range doesn't seem to that far away according to my quick Google search. Gunshot Wounds says that intermediate range is when you have "powder tattooing" and with a hand gun that starts happening at 10 mm which is less than an inch. I didn't see anything to indicate what the maximum of "intermediate range" was with a hand gun.

[Loren]

Any supposed injuries he has could have been self-inflicted before he saw his personal physician, and there is no sign of them on the police video,

In today's paper, it listed a number of ways in which the police investigation was deficient. One of the items was this:

"Police took only one photo of any of Zimmerman's injuries at the scene - a full-face picture that showed a bloodied nose - before paramedics tended to him...Other photos were later shot at police headquarters, after Zimmerman had been cleaned up by paramedics."

[RolandJP]

Really it all comes down to..do you believe a Black teen could be an innocent bystander.

Regardless of School violations or experimental drug use.

Much Like does one believe a woman who wears short skirts..gets drunk from time to time is believable as a rape victim.