The DC Numbers/Estimates Mega Thread

[Winghead]

Ok so someone please help me out. Nightwing and Batgirl have the * next to them for returns or whatever, but bat woman doesn't so does that mean that BG and NW are outselling BW? These charts always show it this way but when the beat updates their site it shows these titles as ranked higher with higher sales. Which is the accurate info? Also as a side note...congrats to Nightwing's stability. When these titles were launched , BG BW and GLC were outselling it by almost 20k and now they are neck and neck and NW has surpassed GLC and will likely surpass BG next month. It's also very cool to see a Nightwing book outselling so many marvel books with similar numberings like Daredevil, incredible Hulk and especially Captain America

[sethysquare]

Ok so someone please help me out. Nightwing and Batgirl have the * next to them for returns or whatever, but bat woman doesn't so does that mean that BG and NW are outselling BW? These charts always show it this way but when the beat updates their site it shows these titles as ranked higher with higher sales. Which is the accurate info? Also as a side note...congrats to Nightwing's stability. When these titles were launched , BG BW and GLC were outselling it by almost 20k and now they are neck and neck and NW has surpassed GLC and will likely surpass BG next month. It's also very cool to see a Nightwing book outselling so many marvel books with similar numberings like Daredevil, incredible Hulk and especially Captain America

Pretty much. If you go to comicsbeat, they usually add 10% to the numbers with * so that figures are more accurate.
It is true that Nightwing is one of the consistently stable sellers.

[Cavemold]

We will see Steve wacker every book will be effected by the event, though I don't know if the ultimate line will be effected.

[Flashpoint]

DC should double ship JL and batman comics . Just to see what would happen to the market share.

They would burn up the charts.

That being said, DC locking in the top 10 is a major achievement for two months in a row (I'm going out on a limb and saying that DC will do the same next month.)

Totally agreed. DC's locking out Marvel from the Top 10 is huge for them. I, too, am fairly confident they'll do it again next month. And then in May, we get the George Perez/Kevin Maguire-illustrated Worlds' Finest and Earth 2. My prediction is both will be Top 10 books with the nod towards WF being the one with higher sales given the artists, which is not to malign Nicola Scott on E2. It's just that Perez and Maguire are bigger names.

Yes, AVX will break through DC's Top 10 lock in April and will go #1. But what happens after that event is over? If DC still holds the Top 10, does Marvel just do another event?

And the continuing lackluster sales of Marvel's former Top 10 resident Avengers line is shocking. If Bleeding Cool is right that Bendis is taking over the X-books, that is not promising news for the X-Men line given how moribund sales have been on all the Avengers books. AVX is looking more and more to me like the new Fear Itself...and we all know how badly that turned out as well as all the complaints from fans about it.

Plus, does anyone really want to see anymore of these horrid Point books from Marvel like Fear Itself 7.1, 7.2, etc? As far as I've seen, none of them sell well even the Point One book that Marvel double-shipped and in some cases triple-shipped for free just to compete with DC's Top 10 smash hits. (Cue AVX #12.1, 12.2, 12.3, LOL)

[sethysquare]

Totally agreed. DC's locking out Marvel from the Top 10 is huge for them. I, too, am fairly confident they'll do it again next month. And then in May, we get the George Perez/Kevin Maguire-illustrated Worlds' Finest and Earth 2. My prediction is both will be Top 10 books with the nod towards WF being the one with higher sales given the artists, which is not to malign Nicola Scott on E2. It's just that Perez and Maguire are bigger names.

Yes, AVX will break through DC's Top 10 lock in April and will go #1. But what happens after that event is over? If DC still holds the Top 10, does Marvel just do another event?

And the continuing lackluster sales of Marvel's former Top 10 resident Avengers line is shocking. If Bleeding Cool is right that Bendis is taking over the X-books, that is not promising news given how moribund sales have been on all the Avengers books. AVX is looking more and more to me like the new Fear Itself...and we all know how badly that turned out as well as all the complaints from fans about it.

Plus, does anyone really want to see anymore of these horrid Point books from Marvel like Fear Itself 7.1, 7.2, etc? As far as I've seen, none of them sell well even the Point One book that Marvel double-shipped and in some cases triple-shipped for free just to compete with DC's Top 10 smash hits. (Cue AVX #12.1, 12.2, 12.3, LOL)

I think #0 will be sold this month, So AvX will probably break the top ten this month.
But disagree with you on Earth 2. I think Earth 2 will sell more than Worlds' finest. I'm predicting somewhere above 100k. The Last JSA #1 without the trinity sold 102k.
This time I'm predicting something higher than 100k. How much higher, we'll have to wait and see.
With regards to who would like to read books from Marvel like AvX 12.1 12.2 12.3 .... I don't think here is the right audience for it, LOL.

[Winghead]

Pretty much. If you go to comicsbeat, they usually add 10% to the numbers with * so that figures are more accurate.
It is true that Nightwing is one of the consistently stable sellers.

It's too bad these charts don't do the same thing. If comics beat is the accurate number it would me nice to see it reflected in chart form as well. This really puts NW closer to WW numbers which is incredible for a book who's sales peers used to be Green Arrow and BOP. I wonder what the sales spike will be for issues 8 and 9 for Night of the Owls

[Flashpoint]

It seems like historically tie ins never sold well. Looking back at Fear Itself, Spider Island, Flashpoint, none of those tie ins sold above 50k, even with AvX's great push, I don't think it'll exceed 60k to 70k.

Highest recorded tie in last year was
23 Flashpoint Batman Knight of Vengeance 1 $2.99 DC 45,129 by Azzarello.

Also with Earth 2 and Worlds' finest, I suspect things will work out well with DC taking top 8 spots and Marvel holding on to 2 of it with AVX

DITTO.

I predict the same. E2 and WF (nice how easily recognizable those abbreviations are, huh?) will do very well for DC.

OH DUH. How could we forget Grant Morrison's Batman, Incorporated? Make that 3 new Top 10 books for DC.

Then again...if BI, E2 and WF all have Top 10 debuts...that means 3 DC books will get pushed out of the Top 10 in May. And those 3 would likely be Batman & Robin, Flash and my beloved Aquaman.

The fight for the Top 10 and the whole Top 20 between DC and Marvel is going to be absolutely vicious in May. The rankings are about to shifted in a very noticeable way. DC books are going to be losing to other DC books, LOL!

[sethysquare]

DITTO.

I predict the same. E2 and WF (nice how easily recognizable those abbreviations are, huh?) will do very well for DC.

OH DUH. How could we forget Grant Morrison's Batman, Incorporated? Make that 3 new Top 10 books for DC.

Then again...if BI, E2 and WF all have Top 10 debuts...that means 3 DC books will get pushed out of the Top 10 in May. And those 3 would likely be Batman, Flash and my beloved Aquaman.

The fight for the Top 10 and the whole Top 20 between DC and Marvel is going to be absolutely vicious in May. The rankings are about to shifted in a very noticeable way. DC books are going to be losing to other DC books, LOL!

Oh right, I forgot about Batman Inc.
Also New 52 will be ushering another set of promotion and advertising for the new 52 trades. On a month that brings about 6 new books, several trades, The Court of Owls cross over, The Culling Crossover and all the annuals, its going to be a pretty hefty month for DC in may.

[DarkKnghtJared]

Looks like the double-shipping worked...so far.

What also probably helped was that with February being a five-week month, DC only had Justice League that week and Marvel had a lot more.

Then again...if BI, E2 and WF all have Top 10 debuts...that means 3 DC books will get pushed out of the Top 10 in May. And those 3 would likely be Batman, Flash and my beloved Aquaman.

I don't know about Batman--it's selling really well, and it's in the middle of it's own little mini-event. That can totally stick in the Top 10 easily.

[Flashpoint]

I think #0 will be sold this month, So AvX will probably break the top ten this month.
But disagree with you on Earth 2. I think Earth 2 will sell more than Worlds' finest. I'm predicting somewhere above 100k. The Last JSA #1 without the trinity sold 102k.
This time I'm predicting something higher than 100k. How much higher, we'll have to wait and see.
With regards to who would like to read books from Marvel like AvX 12.1 12.2 12.3 .... I don't think here is the right audience for it, LOL.

AVX #0 doesn't come out until April which I double-checked right now with a Google search. So barring an unseen event, DC will most likely hold onto the Top 10 for another month.

As for E2, I'm sure the debut issue will be huge. But historically, the Justice Society tends to be a perennial underperformer compared to DC's bigger team franchises like Justice League and Teen Titans. They'll most likely be a Top 20 book after their #1 debuts, while books scripted by the likes of Johns and Morrison or illustrated by the likes of Reis and Perez will sell in higher numbers.

And I still can't believe most of us forgot about Batman, Incorporated. How embarrassing! And we call ourselves DC fans.

[Flashpoint]

I don't know about Batman--it's selling really well, and it's in the middle of it's own little mini-event. That can totally stick in the Top 10 easily.

Oops! I meant to say Batman & Robin, not Batman. Sorry!

[sethysquare]

AVX #0 doesn't come out until April which I double-checked right now with a Google search. So barring an unseen event, DC will most likely hold onto the Top 10 for another month.

As for E2, I'm sure the debut issue will be huge. But historically, the Justice Society tends to be a perennial underperformer compared to DC's bigger team franchises like Justice League and Teen Titans. They'll most likely be a Top 20 book after their #1 debuts, while books scripted by the likes of Johns and Morrison or illustrated by the likes of Reis and Perez will sell in higher numbers.

And I still can't believe most of us forgot about Batman, Incorporated. How embarrassing! And we call ourselves DC fans.

My bad, I guess I'm getting old.
In any case with regards to E2, yeah Justice Society has always sold lesser than JL. But this time, it isn't Justice Society anymore.
Its Justice Society with a brand new update, this has never been done before plus the trinity is in E2 which means that the only characters missing are hal, arthur, barry and vic. But E2 now have their own Flash and GL so, my guess is this would perform slightly better than JSA.

[Flashpoint]

They should double ship when AVX 1 comes out.

Cavemold is correct--AVX is a bi-weekly book, unfortunately. So that means we'll get 2 issues of AVX in the Top 10 every month for 6 months.

But as I and others keep saying, what does Marvel do *after* that? Yet another event?

And sales on the Avengers line are way down from what they used to be. That really makes me question the wisdom of moving Bendis to the X-books (if Bleeding Cool is correct). With Moon Knight being a flop that's been unceremoniously cancelled and the Avengers line's sales haven fallen out of the Top 10 for half a year now since the New 52 booted them out of it, Bendis's sales record isn't the automatic guaranteed #1 smash that it used to be.

Then there's DC's rumored big announcement next week at Wonder-Con which I am eager to hear. Multiversity? The big Pandora event? Oo-oo-oo, I can't wait to find out!

[sethysquare]

Cavemold is correct--AVX is a bi-weekly book, unfortunately. So that means we'll get 2 issues of AVX in the Top 10 every month for 6 months.

But as I and others keep saying, what does Marvel do *after* that? Yet another event?

And sales on the Avengers line are way down from what they used to be. That really makes me question the wisdom of moving Bendis to the X-books (if Bleeding Cool is correct). With Moon Knight being a flop that's been unceremoniously cancelled and the Avengers line's sales haven fallen out of the Top 10 for half a year now since the New 52 booted them out of it, Bendis's sales record isn't the automatic guaranteed #1 smash that it used to be.

Then there's DC's rumored big announcement next week at Wonder-Con which I am eager to hear. Multiversity? The big Pandora event? Oo-oo-oo, I can't wait to find out!

Cavemold meant that DC should double ship JL and Batman books when AVX comes out so we can get more in the top 10.
Really? Theres a rumored big announcement? No shit seriously? Any source?
I hope its not something lame like when Watchmen prequel is selling, we all know its june or july.

[Sabrewulf]

AVX #0 doesn't come out until April which I double-checked right now with a Google search. So barring an unseen event, DC will most likely hold onto the Top 10 for another month.

As for E2, I'm sure the debut issue will be huge. But historically, the Justice Society tends to be a perennial underperformer compared to DC's bigger team franchises like Justice League and Teen Titans. They'll most likely be a Top 20 book after their #1 debuts, while books scripted by the likes of Johns and Morrison or illustrated by the likes of Reis and Perez will sell in higher numbers.

And I still can't believe most of us forgot about Batman, Incorporated. How embarrassing! And we call ourselves DC fans.

AvX #0 comes out March 28th.