Is DC even going to try to compete with Marvel on the big screen?

[SpideyCzar]

I have. Spiderman 1 isn't all that great, but Spiderman 2 is very well done, even if the Dark Knight has surpassed it as being the definite way to do a comic-book movie.

Just for the record Joss Whedon did an interview not too long ago where he said that Spiderman 1 and 2 are still unmatched.

I don't think you can fairly compare Dark Knight to Spider-Man, just the types of characters and stories they mean to tell are different. But I agree if you mean how Nolan and his team created a quality script, and casted the right actors then yes that's how comic book movies should be handled. Nolan, kept the core of the character in tact to make a quality film. Raimi ignore key elements of the character(s). Never showed Peter's brillaint scientific mind or candid humor.

Although I still like Spider-Man 2, and think it's the best of the bunch. I just don't think it holds up very well against the high quality recent comic book films like Avengers, Iron Man, & Dark Knight. I can't even enjoy the 1st Spidey/Doc Ock fight because of all the screaming from random women, it's almost comical.

And just because, I love Avengers and a lot of other things Whedon does doesn't mean his opinion is gospel. He is entitled to his opinion, I just tend to disagree admantly with his opinion.

[Vibranium]

I didn't care either way about the web shooters, nor did I think organics lessened Peters display of intellect

a spider makes its own web, why shouldn't Spider-Man? that was always my train of thought

[thehod]

I have. Spiderman 1 isn't all that great, but Spiderman 2 is very well done, even if the Dark Knight has surpassed it as being the definite way to do a comic-book movie.

I don't necessarily agree with that.

I don't want my Flash movie to look like The Dark Knight, for example.

The problem with The Dark Knight was that it took itself waaaaaaayyy too seriously. Something The Avengers hasn't done at all.

The key point in any comic book movie is to be true to what made the source material a success in the first place.

[blinker]

I don't necessarily agree with that.

I don't want my Flash movie to look like The Dark Knight, for example.

The problem with The Dark Knight was that it took itself waaaaaaayyy too seriously. Something The Avengers hasn't done at all.

The key point in any comic book movie is to be true to what made the source material a success in the first place.

Most comic book movies try to strive to be as good as the Dark Knight. Most fail as a result.

[SpideyCzar]

I didn't care either way about the web shooters, nor did I think organics lessened Peters display of intellect

a spider makes its own web, why shouldn't Spider-Man? that was always my train of thought

The spider gave him the enhanced strength, speed, reflexes, ability to cling to walls and the Spider-Sense. The creation of web shooters shows how brilliant and creative the character is and it also gives him a weakness. For example there are time he can run out of webbing, if done organically he can never run out.

[SpideyCzar]

Most comic book movies try to strive to be as good as the Dark Knight. Most fail as a result.

Not so much...

Since Dark Knight was released there have been other comic book inspired movies released. Not many have taken themselves uber seriously. While I like the Nolan Bat movies, I do think they lack some sort of fun to them. Something that the Marvel Studios films seem to have perfected. All Nolan did was understand the character properly, something Raimi completely failed at. Then he casted wonderfully talented actors and grounded the hero in a very realistic setting facing off against Mobsters and a terrorist cult. Lightning in a bottle struck in the Dark Knight, with Heath Ledger's amazing performance, and the popularity of the Joker character the movie was destined to make much more than the average box office of Batman Begins. The Ledger dies, the free press the movie gets is on the verge of insane, and all for good measure as his last completed performance is nothing short of amazing. Let's not kid ourselves, Batman Begins was far from a box office giant. It was profitable, and the Dark Knight is far from perfect but it is definitely a enjoyable movie for one reason Ledger's performance. Outside of that performance the movie is pretty average.

[Darrell D.]

The spider gave him the enhanced strength, speed, reflexes, ability to cling to walls and the Spider-Sense. The creation of web shooters shows how brilliant and creative the character is and it also gives him a weakness. For example there are time he can run out of webbing, if done organically he can never run out.

I never liked the idea that Pete was this brilliant high school chemist, who could create a super-adhesive that would make Dow Chemicals drool, but yet he CANNOT PAY HIS RENT on time.
That's why it made sense for him to work for Stark when he joined the Avengers.

[Vibranium]

I never liked the idea that Pete was this brilliant high school chemist, who could create a super-adhesive that would make Dow Chemicals drool, but yet he CANNOT PAY HIS RENT on time.That's why it made sense for him to work for Stark when he joined the Avengers.

I always thought that as well....and with the organics, he does run out as his body can only produce so much at a time

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

I never liked the idea that Pete was this brilliant high school chemist, who could create a super-adhesive that would make Dow Chemicals drool, but yet he CANNOT PAY HIS RENT on time.
That's why it made sense for him to work for Stark when he joined the Avengers.

Peter working for/with Stark was a great step forward for him. So I'm happy they've continued that line in some form with Peter working at Horizon Labs. There was zero reason for him to have been a freelancer when he could've whipped up some fancy gizmo in a day.

[Kiryu]

I never liked the idea that Pete was this brilliant high school chemist, who could create a super-adhesive that would make Dow Chemicals drool, but yet he CANNOT PAY HIS RENT on time.
That's why it made sense for him to work for Stark when he joined the Avengers.

I always liked the compromise in Ult Spidey, where Pete's father was developing the webbing and Pete was able to put the finishing touches on it. But I vastly prefer web-shooters to organic webbing, except when it's stupid like it was right after BND where it seemed like every issue HAD to have a scene where he ran out of webbing.

I'm also ready for Nolan to go, I'm done with his tell-don't show method of storytelling where every action sequence is explained to us by a talentless extra, or another extra gives mindless monologues about the themes of the movie. If he had directed the Avengers the final action sequence would've been intercut with people on the helicopter reacting "comedic-ally" to every action beat. Try the drinking game in Begins and TDK, take a shot whenever we cut away from the action to an extra during either the final train fight in Begins or the big car chase in TDK. You'll need a new liver just for those sequences. It's mind boggling. He's had his trilogy, now I'd like to see more interesting Batman movies

[USERNAME TAKEN]

As much as I love the Dark Knight, I don't feel that's the definitive way of doing a superhero movie.

There as a many approaches to making a good superhero movie as there are to the source material.

[SpideyCzar]

I never liked the idea that Pete was this brilliant high school chemist, who could create a super-adhesive that would make Dow Chemicals drool, but yet he CANNOT PAY HIS RENT on time.
That's why it made sense for him to work for Stark when he joined the Avengers.

Kind of hard to pay your bills on time while juggling school, work and super hero activities. The character can't really have a traditional 9-5 job. But in the comics it's done right currently. Showing Peter use his intelligence in useful ways to pay his bills and help him be the best hero possible.

[Darrell D.]

Kind of hard to pay your bills on time while juggling school, work and super hero activities. The character can't really have a traditional 9-5 job. But in the comics it's done right currently. Showing Peter use his intelligence in useful ways to pay his bills and help him be the best hero possible.

Well, in the 60s and 70s it was a case of him always being flat broke, and having to work for the Daily Bugle.
A guy with his intelligence and skill set should have been working at Stark or even for Pym as a research assistant before he was out of high school.

[golgi]

Not every super hero movie should be presented as the TDK. I had fun watching, the same way I had with Avengers and Spider-Man 2. But the tone of the movie works exceptionally well for a Batman movie. To me, the Nolan movies are the holy grail of comic book movies. Iron Man could have been that, but IM 2 was just so awful.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Not every super hero movie should be presented as the TDK. I had fun watching, the same way I had with Avengers and Spider-Man 2. But the tone of the movie works exceptionally well for a Batman movie. To me, the Nolan movies are the holy grail of comic book movies. Iron Man could have been that, but IM 2 was just so awful.

Hopefully Iron Man 3 will rise to the occasion.