General AVX Speculation/Discussion *Spoilers*

[Relique]

lol so he should have murdered the Avengers? I agree. How would he get Aim, Hyrdra and Doom to work with him though?

He has access to three of the world's best telepathic, advanced technology from the future, Exodus, Magic, Magneto, Namor, and the rest of the Extinction Team. I'm pretty sure he could muscle AIM, HYDRA, etc. into service by reminding everyone that he was able to wage war against pretty much the entire world during one week last month and managed not to have Utopia nuked off the planet or sanctioned by EVERY world government in the process.

Seriously, if the Avenger's showing up to kidnap Hope was an act of war then what do you call what Cyke's world wide Schism incursion?

[yanapryde]

Is every fight between between Cap and Cyke just going to have Scott pointlessly blasting Cap's shield? Not what i'd call creative.

JRJr's art has been a flop in terms of pulling off the action tbh.

Agreed. Although I've found myself enjoying the art, unexpectedly (a lot of the background/scenery is pretty lush with details -- aerial shot of Utopia and the Hellicarrier is a favorite), the action sequences are a bit lacking.

If Gillen were to pen a throw down between Cap and Scott, we'd see some wicked trigonometry, ricochet action with his optic blasting. He'd fire AROUND that shield.

Here's a fun shot of Cyclops hitting Beast, for funsies.

[Ebon Phantom]

You mean like that time he decided not to install any kind of advance sensor packages or anti-air, land to sea, or sea to sea weapons or defenses on utopia? You know because having 99% of the mutant population sitting on a quarter mile piece of rock seems like someplace a genocidal maniac would attack.

Seriously, if Scott was a tactical Genius issue #1 would have gone like this:


"Emma... my deep space Pheonix Alarms went off. You know what that means.."
"Oh god no.. that bitch is really coming back?!?"
"No. It means set up the lawn chairs, and get ready for fire works in ten minutes."
"Oh god... you didn't?!?!"
"I ordered the attack to be done on Avenger's Tower 30 minutes ago. By now New York is swarming with AIM, Hydra, and Latvian death machines. In an other 5 the tactical nukes will detonate."
"Have you..."
"You as well as I know they, and Logan would have been here with the Avengers in an hour looking for Hope. You heard what Nathan told us... This has to happen. There is no way I will let anyone prevent mutant-kind from reaching her destiny... not even if it means I have to kill the Avengers myself."

Why bother with them at all? The moment he learn the Avengers would come after Hope because of the Phoenix, you would think he would have had Emma set up some mental blocks in their mind to have it so they couldn't hear or see anything concerning the Phoenix and maybe even a trigger phrase to shut them down if they ever came against the X-men. That could have made things so easy for him without even having to fight.

[Harbinger_of_Kaos]

Cyclops is acting more like a kid ritalin than a man known for tactical warfare, his people have not won any of their battles with the avengers and the smart thing he did was have Emma hijack toad. I wonder if will see the more analitical Cyclops at the bridge of the story or more of the fanatical Cyclops? And no one can really say he isn't acting like a fanatic bent on seeing his faith proven correct at all costs, i still wonder if it's the Void fragment making him loopy or if Apocalypse left some surprise package in him like he did with Angel...and off topic, how come Gambit wasn't the next Avatar of Apocalypse? I thought he could do the whole power switch too? I mean was that removed from him or waht?

[warspectre]

I think it's a bit early to say one character is being 'assassinated' more than anyone else. One could make the case that Cyclops is getting the raw deal by coming off as the aggressor. I've heard some on this board make that argument, but when looking at the events of X-Sanction and the preludes that led up to AvX I think his actions are justified. He was told by his son that if the Avengers took Hope, mutants would be doomed and the Phoenix would torch the Earth. Low and behold, the Avengers came to take Hope. So while I get why some would vote him, I think there is a context for his actions that is easily lost for those who didn't read X-Sanction.

exactly this

[warspectre]

Angel has two giant targets sticking out either side of his shoulderblades. Harpoon proved that pretty conclusively in the Morlock Massacre. I doubt Hawkeye's a worse shot than Harpoon.

I wouldn't call this a fair fight.

Those "giant targets" are metal again. those "giant targets" belong to a mutant with enhanced strength speed and agility. who also has a healing ability.
I know mutants who would make a more effective 'hawkeye' than hawkeye. Because he's a powerless flatscan B!tch.

[Relique]

how come Gambit wasn't the next Avatar of Apocalypse? I thought he could do the whole power switch too? I mean was that removed from him or waht?

Even Apocalypse thought Deathbit was a complete failure and a loser.

[warspectre]

I think we can now safely say that very FEW of these Match Ups will ACTUALLY have a clear winner and clear loser.

What with the ocean-floor-confinement, the outer-space-distraction, and the "we-found-Hope-I-gotta-run"s ?

The Cajun is the only clearly defeated participant thus far, right? As in....he's unconscious.

Did he give up at all first?Most of the first few x losses were because they gave up to their opponent?
Colossus is beating the Shit outta rulk but realizes that he is about to destroy the pillar supporting utopia then gives up and tells rulk to keep hitting him.
Magneto was Extremely distracted and guilt ridden?? when fighting ironman ...thats why he didn't destroy him in one second?. Then after Magneto stops fighting ironman escapes him and is somehow counted as the winner!?
Thing pinned Namor to some sand in namors domain...with some couple hundred pound teeth.

[Meehl]

He has access to three of the world's best telepathic, advanced technology from the future, Exodus, Magic, Magneto, Namor, and the rest of the Extinction Team. I'm pretty sure he could muscle AIM, HYDRA, etc. into service by reminding everyone that he was able to wage war against pretty much the entire world during one week last month and managed not to have Utopia nuked off the planet or sanctioned by EVERY world government in the process.

Seriously, if the Avenger's showing up to kidnap Hope was an act of war then what do you call what Cyke's world wide Schism incursion?

FFS, Cyclops is not going to consider killing the Avengers. Just because posters keep typing out that he's a fanatic does mean that he is. He isn't going to employ AIM/Hydra for anything, either. He's the same cornbread good guy he was under Xavier. He's just got more responsibilities now and has to make harder choices.

He was never the aggressor in AvX. Cap came to Utopia and told Scott that he was taking Hope, not asking to take Hope. Cap was the aggressor and declared war.

That Cyclops didn't deux ex machina a victory within 3 panels is not in conflict with his tactical brilliance. That Namor lost to The Thing IN THE OCEAN by hitting himself with the fish that he used to hit The Thing is not in conflict with his tactical brilliance.

Seriously, if the Avenger's showing up to kidnap Hope was an act of war then what do you call what Cyke's world wide Schism incursion?

Did you read Schism? All they did was fly around and kill Sentinels in sovereign nations. True, they crossed boundaries that they did not have visas for, but they did not try to kidnap citizens of these countries, they set the minimal number of X-men needed to defeat the Sentinels instead of an army, and then left the countries as soon as the Sentinels were destroyed. it's not the same as attempted kidnapping.

[Starfish]

Indeed, that whole attacking another nation for an attempted kidnapping with the intention of murder happened in Children's Crusade, not Schism.

Cyclops is acting more like a kid ritalin than a man known for tactical warfare, his people have not won any of their battles with the avengers and the smart thing he did was have Emma hijack toad. I wonder if will see the more analitical Cyclops at the bridge of the story or more of the fanatical Cyclops? And no one can really say he isn't acting like a fanatic bent on seeing his faith proven correct at all costs, i still wonder if it's the Void fragment making him loopy or if Apocalypse left some surprise package in him like he did with Angel...and off topic, how come Gambit wasn't the next Avatar of Apocalypse? I thought he could do the whole power switch too? I mean was that removed from him or waht?

Eh, they can later just blame it all on Unit's influence, as the X-Men are probably little more than his pawns and unknowing accomplices in this conflict.

[Lady_Alternate]

I can't remember who I had the bet with about whether or not Rachel really knew where Hope was and if she was just giving the Avengers false data. Was it ExodusCloak?

Whoever it was, you owe me five internet points. Pony up!

[DexterSinister]

Eh, they can later just blame it all on Unit's influence, as the X-Men are probably little more than his pawns and unknowing accomplices in this conflict.

With all the geniuses running around sword and Utopia I'm surprised no one had the idea of taking a spanner to unit and removing his ability to move and attack.

[yanapryde]

Oh yes, yes, yes!
Give him the business, Yana!!

[Viteh]

Oh yes, yes, yes!
Give him the business, Yana!!

Warpath reallly can't catch a break

[yanapryde]

Warpath reallly can't catch a break

It looks like he fell off the mound that Gambit is standing on.
Hell, it looks like Gambit is the one who knocked him down.