Bendis pet character that deserves the axe or limbo?

[tigerkaya]

It seems I need to go into further detail of this thread and what its about. Let me be clear this thread isn't about offing them off because of race or gender. Its about hoping their banished to limbo, get the character assassination or character death.
For the fact Bendis can't seem to differentiate them in character motivation, memorable or make them appealing.
Hell if he told the artist to place Quake's gloves on Maria Hill I don't think I would know the difference.

[tigerkaya]

Time to bring this old thread back.
So where do you want to see these character after Bendis leaves the title?

My top picks.
Victoria Hand: relocated to the Antarctic.
Jones: to the realm of Limbo.
Maria Hill: Sent back to working in Madripoor.
The Hood: Forgotten and left to rot in his cell.

[Frank]

Wow. Bendis really added quite a few female characters into the Marvel U during his tenure. And expanded upon the characterizations of established characters who had been either ignored or pigeonholed. He should be commended for that.

I think the whole thing feel forced. It's like the new Shield leader HAD to be a bossy female, right. For some feminist agenda. Her whole reason for being is that she is a girl in a place of power. There's nothing more to the character.

[Lord Bravery]

It's rather problematic that most of the ones you've listed are female. They most certainly should not be axed or sent to limbo.

Victoria Hand is also one of the few gay characters in comic. Heck, these "pet characters" have added some much needed diversity.

And really, most of those characters are rather popular and Luke and Osborn were popular beforehand. But really, these are all great characters and it would be a shame if we lost any of them.

The problem is that a lot of the time it's diversity for diversity's sake. When a characters gender or sexuality is the defining trait of them, it just means those things are gimmicks.

[Lady_Alternate]

The problem is that a lot of the time it's diversity for diversity's sake. When a characters gender or sexuality is the defining trait of them, it just means those things are gimmicks.

Just double checking; you're not suggesting that Victoria Hand's sexuality is the defining trait of her character, are you?

[Lord Bravery]

Just double checking; you're not suggesting that Victoria Hand's sexuality is the defining trait of her character, are you?

No, just talking in general really.

I think it applies to Maria Hill though. She's a tough female in a position of power... and what else? She's a worthless character, and annoying to boot. Hell i wouldn't even call her a character, she's just an archetype.

[tommyman]

The problem is that a lot of the time it's diversity for diversity's sake. When a characters gender or sexuality is the defining trait of them, it just means those things are gimmicks.

Another problem with the Quest For Diversity (c) is that it raises some uncomfortable questions.
Either we think that everybody is the same, basically, and their character is not at all dependent on gender, "race", nationality or any other factor, in which case why do we need the Rainbow Of Diversity (tm) if everybody brings the same stuff to the table?
Or if we think any and all those things shape a person and help define their personality, are we not straying into stereotype and prejudicial territory?

Being a Liberal type lefty, I tend to want Diversity to be there to show us that people are all just people, regardless of other factors.
That character and temperament are not pre-determined by those types of labels.
So mostly, Bendis' "women" "characters" pass that test with flying colours.
They are literally indistinguishable from the men.
Unfortunately they are also literally indistinguishable from each other, too.

A writer must show a character has interests, concerns, and problems that define them.
The character must have "hinterland", a sense the reader has that they have a life off the page, away from the mansion.
All we ever see is the same people round the same table eating and talking the same talk.
Nothing except the merest of circumstance separates Hill from Johnson, or Jones from Hand.
If you swapped the job/marriage/hairstyle with one another, nothing would change.
Hill would bitch about her baby being endangered, Johnson would not be trusted by the new Avengers, Jones would be the take charge shield agent.
They are all round pegs in round holes.
Ciphers who are drawn as women, rather than the ciphers drawn as men who make up the rest of the teams.

[Whirlwind Dinamo]

Wanda is still broke

They need to keep the Witch away from Avengers

[Moriarty]

please, just get rid of Spider Woman. Hill and Victoria Hand don't really bother me that much. just Spider Woman.

[motteditor]

With Bendis soon leaving which pet character do you want to see get the axe or for a less extreme punishment, banishment to limbo. Think of it as balancing the scales, for every humiliation, death or character assassination Bendis committed on other classic characters I think its only fair his pets get whats coming to them.

Jessica Jones
Jessica Drew
Victoria Hand
Norman Osborn
Daisy Johnson: Quake
Maria Hill
The Hood
Luke Cage

Do we have to choose? I suppose if so, it'd be Jessica Jones, who should be killed off-panel, just so Bendis sees what it's like when people do to his characters what he's perfectly happy doing to everyone else's. He's apparently put Luke Cage into limbo himself -- I guess if he can't write him, no one can -- which I'm fine with. Never need to see that character again.

Of the rest, I don't mind Maria Hill if she's treated like the villain she obviously is.

The Hood was great, until Bendis got a hold of him. Go back to the original character, and I'll be thrilled.

I actually give Bendis props for bringing back Jessica Drew (though at the same time, I don't think he's really used her at all well). I never understand WHY Marvel stuck her in limbo for 20 years in the first place -- and I'm annoyed that Bendis' love for her apparently meant Marvel had to get rid of Julia Carpenter as a useful character -- but she's a worthy part of the MU pantheon.

Norman Osborn's fine as a Spider-Man villain. The idea that he's a threat to the Avengers could certainly die, though. They've got far bigger fish to fry.

I haven't really read anything with Quake or Victoria Hand. I think the former deserves some props for not having the usual generic powerset that Bendis typically goes for.

[USERNAME TAKEN]

None.

Every writer has their favorites and Bendis's picks were far more interesting than the likes of Triatholon, Deathcry or Rage.

I'm very happy that Spider-woman and Maria Hill will still play a big role in the book. I just wish that Bendis has left Cage on the team.

[AntiPatriot]

Victoria Hand, no doubt.
Hated this bitch from the beginning, and it always bugged me that she got away so easily.

[Sighphi]

Am I the only one who actually likes the Hood?

I want Doctor Strange to truss him up and drop him off at Baron Mordo's, saying "I've found your new apprentice."

Problem here is that Bendis took away any magic he had and turned him into Lil' Kingpin.

[GreenComixEnvy]

Victoria Hand, no doubt.
Hated this bitch from the beginning, and it always bugged me that she got away so easily.

I never feel comfortable agreeing with a Cycorps member, but This all the way.

[Moriarty]

somehow i forgot about Jessica Jones. don't get me started on that character.