Batman by Scott Snyder / What is your verdict?

[AJBopp]

What sort of reaction were you looking for if I might ask because I can't see any other reaction that would have made sense for that brief moment.

I think, given the relative ease with which he ultimately did dispatch the Talon at such a low point, that his eyes would have narrowed and a characteristic grim smile would have crossed his face as he realized a key piece of his investigation was now in the one location where he is most secure. A "Good. Now let's get down to business" sort of reaction would have been quite characteristic.

[TZDEKA]

I'd rather a creator tell the story they want to as opposed to worrying about whether or not he's faced Darkseid or Hurt and thus should never be fazed by anything short of that. I love Morrison's work on Batman, but he can't be the governing force behind all things Batman. And you can't really resent Snyder or Hurwitz or Tomasi for writing Batman now while Morrison has less control, because Morrison's the one who wants to end his Batman run shortly.

[TZDEKA]

Oh and btw, Snyder said he'll be planting seeds in the #0 issue that he will pick up in his Joker story.

Expect the Joker to be his uncle because Snyder cant give a story impact and resonance unless it's tied to Bruce's past. Also, expect Snyder to be overhyping the story in interviews and fanboys buying it when in reality the joker wont really do much.

All he said was that the zero issue wouldn't just be a standalone thing that has no bearing on the greater run. Morrison did the exact same thing, he tied everything together even "done in ones" like Time and the Batman.

[JasonTodd428]

I think, given the relative ease with which he ultimately did dispatch the Talon at such a low point, that his eyes would have narrowed and a characteristic grim smile would have crossed his face as he realized a key piece of his investigation was now in the one location where he is most secure. A "Good. Now let's get down to business" sort of reaction would have been quite characteristic.

Thanks for that answer. For myself I wouldn't have seen this type of a reaction as being realistic at all in view of the fact that he was drugged, had spend several days with no food and very little water and had just had a near death experience. If this had been his actually reaction I would have raised an eyebrow and probably would have been posting how strange his reaction was. I think it was perfectly in character at that particular point and he did, after all, get right down to business a few moments later. I'm not really sure what the big deal is to be honest with you and I think to much is being made of it. So Batman lost his composure there, big deal.

[tylenoljones]

Oh and btw, Snyder said he'll be planting seeds in the #0 issue that he will pick up in his Joker story.

Expect the Joker to be his uncle because Snyder cant give a story impact and resonance unless it's tied to Bruce's past. Also, expect Snyder to be overhyping the story in interviews and fanboys buying it when in reality the joker wont really do much.

Snyder has mentioned doing a "Killing Joke" level joker story, and Snyder's also introduced that new chick who will be featured in issue 12 (i can't remember her name, the one that pulled Batman out of the water back in issue 7, i think.) My bet is Joker does something bad to her. And i've said it before, but "killing joke" style flashbacks to the Joker's past are kind of a given.

[Jake V]

Snyder has mentioned doing a "Killing Joke" level joker story, and Snyder's also introduced that new chick who will be featured in issue 12 (i can't remember her name, the one that pulled Batman out of the water back in issue 7, i think.) My bet is Joker does something bad to her. And i've said it before, but "killing joke" style flashbacks to the Joker's past are kind of a given.

I'm suddenly panicking, thinking Snyder will try to give Joker an origin.

[Dr. Hurt]

I'd rather a creator tell the story they want to as opposed to worrying about whether or not he's faced Darkseid or Hurt and thus should never be fazed by anything short of that. I love Morrison's work on Batman, but he can't be the governing force behind all things Batman. And you can't really resent Snyder or Hurwitz or Tomasi for writing Batman now while Morrison has less control, because Morrison's the one who wants to end his Batman run shortly.

Sure, after Darkseid everyone is a step down. But that doesnt mean you cant write good stories. I'm sure they could pull off Knightfall right now because it was much better written than this. Because Bane actually suprised and terrorized him, actually ruled gotham, actually had a plan.

So i think you can surprise Batman (like Talia did when she revealed she's behind Leviathan), you just have to write it well.

All he said was that the zero issue wouldn't just be a standalone thing that has no bearing on the greater run. Morrison did the exact same thing, he tied everything together even "done in ones" like Time and the Batman.

He said he'll set up plot threads he'll pick up in the future.

Morrison didnt mess with the origin to tell his story. He also didnt need to hook every one of his stories to the past to make them work. Snyder seems incapable of writing a story without using this trope, whatever it's called.

[tylenoljones]

I'm not really sure what the big deal is to be honest with you and I think to much is being made of it. So Batman lost his composure there, big deal.

On this aspect of the story, I agree. Batman was kind of messed up at the time, and it was a brief enough reaction.

[AJBopp]

Snyder's also introduced that new chick who will be featured in issue 12 (i can't remember her name, the one that pulled Batman out of the water back in issue 7, i think.)

Harper Rowe, I believe. As in the publishing company.

[tylenoljones]

I'm suddenly panicking, thinking Snyder will try to give Joker an origin.

It's a reboot, so why not, right? Yeah, i'm a little worried too, mostly because I prefer the "multiple choice" Joker origin, or for him to not have an origin at all. Regardless of the writer, I think tackling Joker's history and pinning it down is just asking for trouble. I like Paul Dini, but hated what he did in Streets of Gotham with the Joker as a child. To me, The Joker shouldn't ever be sympathetic, and throwing sexual abuse into his background gives you a reason to feel empathy towards him. It takes away his mystique.

[TZDEKA]

Morrison tweaked or added plenty of stuff about/to Batman and Gotham's past. And Snyder loves history, that's for sure, but that's not particularly a flaw, just a writing quirk of his. "Author Appeal" might be the trope you're looking for if you're talking in terms of TVTropes.

[tylenoljones]

Harper Rowe, I believe. As in the publishing company.

I've spent all day looking over literary agent/ publisher websites, and I come to a comic book forum just to get my mind on something else for a few minutes, and stumble across another one :)

Strange coincidence.

[Dr. Hurt]

Morrison tweaked or added plenty of stuff about/to Batman and Gotham's past. And Snyder loves history, that's for sure, but that's not particularly a flaw, just a writing quirk of his. "Author Appeal" might be the trope you're looking for if you're talking in terms of TVTropes.

Morrison's run was more about accepting all the old stories and bringing them back into canon. He didnt try to make his story more legit, deep or resonant by tying it to Batwoman or the Club of Heroes. Instead he used them in his stories because he found them awesome and thought they should come back.

Snyder on the other hand cant pick his nose unless the nose has some ties to Batman's past.

[TZDEKA]

Morrison's run was more about accepting all the old stories and bringing them back into canon. He didnt try to make his story more legit, deep or resonant by tying it to Batwoman or the Club of Heroes. Instead he used them in his stories because he found them awesome and thought they should come back.

Snyder on the other hand cant pick his nose unless the nose has some ties to Batman's past.

I don't understand these criticisms based entirely on what you think the motives of a creator were/are.

[Dr. Hurt]

I don't understand these criticisms based entirely on what you think the motives of a creator were/are.

My point was that Morrison didnt need to hook his stories to the past to make them good and impactful. He just went to the past in his quest to embrace older out of canon stories. So yes he applied changes based on what he thought would be the best way to reincorporate those old stories into canon (ZeA from alternate batman to backup identity).

Snyder on the other hand cant tell a story without tying it to the past. It's his crutch. He's done it in every story he's written. Morrison hasnt.

There's a difference.