Rumblers League Beta

[Tami]

Need help understanding arena. What can be done and what can't.

So, only magic can be used. No physical, psychic or tech attacks?

[KJ Stewart]

Need help understanding arena. What can be done and what can't.

Wouldn't mind knowing this myself, so *bump*.

[Estrecca]

Need help understanding arena. What can be done and what can't.

So, only magic can be used. No physical, psychic or tech attacks?

Wouldn't mind knowing this myself, so *bump*.

I asked Munch for some clarification, since he added the arena. PM quoted below:

So... when you say that it blocks everything except magic, do you mean that JUST magic is usable inside that tower or would special abilities (like, say, mutant powers and the like) be accepted too?

Nope. Mutant powers (Like Terra's Esper-shift, a power that let her turn into a glowy more powerful version of herself) were specifically shown to NOT work around the tower.

[Sharkerbob]

Need help understanding arena. What can be done and what can't.

So, only magic can be used. No physical, psychic or tech attacks?

Wouldn't mind knowing this myself, so *bump*.

Oh, shit this thing? That place was a fucking nightmare.

The only attacks you can perform are magic-based ones. Physical attacks won't work...

...in theory. Umaro, thanks to his berserker status (you couldn't control him), could still physically attack, possibly due to the game simply due to a loophole in the mechanics.

Give me a few minutes. I'm going to research this with my copy of the game.

[KJ Stewart]

That's cleared one of many things up...

What about tech? What about a good old fashioned punch in the face? What about powers that are there just because of your species? Do autoshields function? Munch needs to tell us the ins and outs of this arena.

Edit: sharker cleared some more of that up whilst I typed the message.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

So where does that leave Black Adam and Captain Marvel then? They're magical avatars, so they should still be able to operate just fine, right?

[KJ Stewart]

Another question: what about using a non-magic power to do something that isn't an 'attack'?

[Sharkerbob]

That's cleared one of many things up...

What about tech? What about a good old fashioned punch in the face? What about powers that are there just because of your species? Do autoshields function? Munch needs to tell us the ins and outs of this arena.

Edit: sharker cleared some more of that up whilst I typed the message.

I'm pretty familiar with it, actually.

So where does that leave Black Adam and Captain Marvel then? They're magical avatars, so they should still be able to operate just fine, right?

In terms of attacking, NOTHING works except "magic spells" and "items." Being a magical entity does not prevent this: Terra is a half-Esper (magical creature) and Celes has Esper-DNA infused into her body, yet just like everyone else, their natural skills are sealed.

I'm thinking the only things Black Adam and Captain Marvel could possibly do to attack using their basic power set is the Shazam Lightning blast. Now, granted, I see no reason why they couldn't still zip around at top speed, carrying their teammates around, or erecting physical barriers or what have you, but they can't punch people.

I really think Umaro's ability to physically attack is only due to a programming loophole in how the character was built; again, you can't control him, he automatically performs his actions, and therefore, the game doesn't have the option to remove his attack options. Before anyone tries it, however, I would not presume that his means "anyone who is attacking in a berserker fashion is immune." Gau's Rage powers (which automatically berserks his status) don't work either.

Now, "Items" is where it gets tricky. Items in this case, refers to things like recovery potions and artifacts such as magic wands, which can be used by anyone in the party, and have a limited number of uses. But you can't seem to use things like shuriken or what have you, as the Throw command is likewise disabled.

This would presumably mean a Green Lantern ring wouldn't work, but if you had a magic staff that could throw a certain number of fireballs, it work.

Of course, this is going to be confounding when it comes to everyone's items, in which there's not always a clear cut answer here. The Brown Kryptonite should still work to empower the character, but the character couldn't use any of the powers to attack.

On the issue of flight, the Float spell still works, but that may only be due to its magical nature. Even still, I'm not entirely convinced you couldn't just fly up and down the tower; the tower might prevent a vehicle from landing on it, but maybe Terra just never flew to the top because, well, she didn't, because otherwise, the tower wouldn't have made an effective dungeon. So I'd say flight is enabled.

[Tami]

I'm pretty familiar with it, actually.



In terms of attacking, NOTHING works except "magic spells" and "items." Being a magical entity does not prevent this: Terra is a half-Esper (magical creature) and Celes has Esper-DNA infused into her body, yet just like everyone else, their natural skills are sealed.

I'm thinking the only things Black Adam and Captain Marvel could possibly do to attack using their basic power set is the Shazam Lightning blast. Now, granted, I see no reason why they couldn't still zip around at top speed, carrying their teammates around, or erecting physical barriers or what have you, but they can't punch people.

I really think Umaro's ability to physically attack is only due to a programming loophole in how the character was built; again, you can't control him, he automatically performs his actions, and therefore, the game doesn't have the option to remove his attack options. Before anyone tries it, however, I would not presume that his means "anyone who is attacking in a berserker fashion is immune." Gau's Rage powers (which automatically berserks his status) don't work either.

Now, "Items" is where it gets tricky. Items in this case, refers to things like recovery potions and artifacts such as magic wands, which can be used by anyone in the party, and have a limited number of uses. But you can't seem to use things like shuriken or what have you, as the Throw command is likewise disabled.

This would presumably mean a Green Lantern ring wouldn't work, but if you had a magic staff that could throw a certain number of fireballs, it work.

Of course, this is going to be confounding when it comes to everyone's items, in which there's not always a clear cut answer here. The Brown Kryptonite should still work to empower the character, but the character couldn't use any of the powers to attack.

On the issue of flight, the Float spell still works, but that may only be due to its magical nature. Even still, I'm not entirely convinced you couldn't just fly up and down the tower; the tower might prevent a vehicle from landing on it, but maybe Terra just never flew to the top because, well, she didn't, because otherwise, the tower wouldn't have made an effective dungeon. So I'd say flight is enabled.

Also, let's say the first team in the match-up starts at the top, second team starts at the bottom.

I'm not sure if the Qantum Bands are magic or tech, I guess alien tech. The Elemental Keys, are they considered magic? What about defensive magic? Guess that's out too? This is going to be tricky.

[Sharkerbob]

I'm not sure if the Qantum Bands are magic or tech. What about defensive magic? Guess that's out too? This is going to be tricky.

Quantum Bands use "cosmic energy", which is a separate force from magic. They are probably more closely related to tech than anything.

Note that I said the limitations only affect attack options. I see no reason it would actually shut off powers with non-attack purposes, or neutralize defensive abilities. Superman, Captain Marvel, Juggernaut, etc, all maintain their durability and travel options, regardless of power source. Nightcrawler can still teleport around, Shadowcat can still phase. They just can't attack anyone unless the attack itself is a magic spell, or item that falls under the parameters.

[Tami]

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[KJ Stewart]

I'm pretty familiar with it, actually.

Why does that suggest I said something to the contrary?

[KJ Stewart]

Also, let's say the first team in the match-up starts at the top, second team starts at the bottom.

For the record folks, it's the other way around.

First team listed in the fixture starts in the first position mentioned in the arena profile, as has always been the case.

I've started writing from the bottom because of this.

[Sharkerbob]

Why does that suggest I said something to the contrary?

It doesn't. I was merely saying I can answer the question, so we don't have to wait for Munch to make the clarifications.

For the record folks, it's the other way around.

First team listed in the fixture starts in the first position mentioned in the arena profile, as has always been the case.

I've started writing from the bottom because of this.

We'll go with that, then, sorry.

[Tami]

It doesn't. I was merely saying I can answer the question, so we don't have to wait for Munch to make the clarifications.



We'll go with that, then, sorry.

I placed my team at bottom, if is wrong caulk it up to confusion.