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    Default When did Wolverine start appearing everywhere?

    There are quite a few people who complain that Wolverine has too many appearances acorss the MU. Some people chalk it up to just a few years ago. Others blame it on the movies. For me personally, I remember him being super popular as far back as 1994. What do you think?
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    Wolverine, Ghost Rider and Punisher were the characters that Marvel over exposed in the '90s. Only Wolverine survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venomous Mask View Post
    There are quite a few people who complain that Wolverine has too many appearances acorss the MU. Some people chalk it up to just a few years ago. Others blame it on the movies. For me personally, I remember him being super popular as far back as 1994. What do you think?
    Marvel Comics Presents became Wolverine's second title for awhile.
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    Marvel has a history of using adjectives in their titles (Amazing, Incredible, Mighty, Uncanny, etc). So, I think the next time they release a new title starring Logan, they should call it "The Ubiquitous Wolverine".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meehl View Post
    Marvel Comics Presents became Wolverine's second title for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venomous Mask View Post
    There are quite a few people who complain that Wolverine has too many appearances acorss the MU. Some people chalk it up to just a few years ago. Others blame it on the movies. For me personally, I remember him being super popular as far back as 1994. What do you think?
    I think that it goes back just a few years further. It probably started in `88 and kicked into high gear in `91 and `92.

    Between his inception and `87, he was pretty much locked into the X-books. Apart from his original mini and the ongoing, that was more or less it. In `88, it was apparent that there was some more demand for the character so Marvel started moving him into these prestige format minis like "Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown" by Walt Simonson and "Rahne of Terra" in `91.

    It was in that same year, 1991, that Barry Windsor Smith's now classic "Weapon X" storyline demystified the character. That whole shadow government conspiracy really got people craving for more and more Wolverine. It was also in 1991 that Wolverine joined Spider-Man, Hulk, and Ghost Rider as the "New Fantastic Four."

    The Wolverine hype machine went into overdrive starting `92. That was the same year that the X-Men animated series debuted. Wolverine wasn't just a fringe character at that point. He was mass audience pop culture. Probably to draw in those kids who watched the cartoon, but didn't read comics, Marvel started putting Wolverine everywhere at that point. Marvel probably figured that if he was the star in the cartoon and kids were going crazy over him then they'd give them more of what it appeared that the wanted.

    It was really a process. The `88-`91 trades sold him to the hardcore fans as something special. The `91 BWS Weapon X story created a demand for more side stories. The `92 cartoon fueled a demand for more appearances of the character in the comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin9977 View Post
    Wolverine, Ghost Rider and Punisher were the characters that Marvel over exposed in the '90s. Only Wolverine survived.
    I don't think you're giving Punisher enough credit. But you forgot to add Venom, who still hangs around, and maybe most of the "horror" characters, who Marvel just doesn't know what to do with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    I don't think you're giving Punisher enough credit.
    To be fair, Punisher never really went away. His popularity goes up and down all of the time. It's just that, conceptually, Punisher is really no longer unique. The whole antihero thing was pretty new when Punisher debuted in 1974. Today, it's so common that you've got entire teams like X-Force who execute the bad guys. On top of that, Punisher's origin needs to be tweaked with each passing decade, as we're a long way from Vietnam and Frank doesn't enjoy and extended lifespan like Nick Fury and such.

    But you forgot to add Venom, who still hangs around,
    Venom's no longer at the height of popularity though. It's certainly not like it was in the 90s where he had a string of back to back minis. The new Remender helmed series has dropped consistently in sales each month since the debut a year ago. It's down more than 26% off its debut and sits at #68 on the sales chart. At this rate, it'll end up sitting in the #99 position and selling just a bit above 20k copies. Marvel cancelled X-23, which sold more. Personally, I figure Venom will be canned too by the end of the summer.

    and maybe most of the "horror" characters, who Marvel just doesn't know what to do with.
    It's not that Marvel doesn't know what to do with them. It's that the market doesn't support it. We're still stuck in superhero mode. Horror books saw a bit of a resurgence in the 70s, but were really at their prime during the 40s and 50s.

    We, as a society, really just aren't fascinated by monsters anymore. They're a novelty. What scares us today in 2012 is far different than what scared my parents back in the 40s and 50s. It's a different world. Pitching a monster book that appeals to today's teens and 20-somethings is tough.

    Marvel can update Dracula all they want, but our modern "monsters" are far more real and close to home.

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    It's not that Marvel doesn't know what to do with them. It's that the market doesn't support it. We're still stuck in superhero mode. Horror books saw a bit of a resurgence in the 70s, but were really at their prime during the 40s and 50s.

    We, as a society, really just aren't fascinated by monsters anymore. They're a novelty. What scares us today in 2012 is far different than what scared my parents back in the 40s and 50s. It's a different world. Pitching a monster book that appeals to today's teens and 20-somethings is tough.

    Marvel can update Dracula all they want, but our modern "monsters" are far more real and close to home.
    Yeah, I feel bad for the "horror" line in the MU. It's so rich, but nothing can really be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin9977 View Post
    Wolverine, Ghost Rider and Punisher were the characters that Marvel over exposed in the '90s. Only Wolverine survived.
    Add Venom to that list. He didn't really survive, but has had a successful resurgence as of late.

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    In the "extreme '90's". Dear god, don't make me post pictures.
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    he started appearing everywhere when Marvel realised what a cash cow they had.

    He's my favourite X Man, but I wish he'd go back to being how he used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookepuss View Post
    I think that it goes back just a few years further. It probably started in `88 and kicked into high gear in `91 and `92.
    That's about it, yeah. You can pull up his list of appearances on sites like comicbookdb.com, and he went from about 1 a month up until 1982, to maybe two a month in 1982-1987, to 2-5 a month up through the mid-90s, to today's complete overexposure where it's more like 2-3 a week.

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