Ororo Munroe / Storm Appreciation VI

[The Weather God]

I believe asking a writer for Storm to throw more then her meaningless lightning isn't begging for feats; it's asking for more variety. And while I'm on the subject of powers and feats, Gillen writes a Storm the clearly believes herself to be more powerful then Magneto, so that's good enough for me. Thanks, KG! Can someone post the scan I'm referring to? It's the the one where Unit makes her lose fine control, in case anyone was unsure.

Yes and I was the one who provided it before!

[The Weather God]

I agree. EC made a very logical argument, TWG did also, but as you put it, they were arguing two different points while not taking into account what the other one was saying.

I took into account everything EC said, and even pointed out that he/she was arguing a different point from mine. I just don't think EC realized that I wasn't trying to project my opinion onto anyone. My reply was specifically targeted at a certain poster that was belittling my and others opinions about the scene.

[ExodusCloak]

This coming from one of the idiot trolls who actively participates in fictional character bashing because you are that freakin' lame...really? lol. Your bitchin' about Storm fans wanting her to be more relevant and making meaningful contributions to a story is embarrassing. For someone who has a problem with Storm and/or her fans, you sure bring your ass into her forums often enough to repeat the same repetitive and pointless bile that only shows that you are the one that needs to get over it. Nothing about the questions posed to Gillen is remotely feat related. The questions pertain her doing something relevant to the story (like how he explained what she did in Tabula Rasa) and not throwing useless background lightning in every other issue. I don't see how changing up her power usage is asking for a feat to happen.

I suggest you go and look at his forumspring again. Kieron Gillen answers all those Storm questions in one post and notes that they were feats orientated.

Regarding powers, I don't really see the job as being dropping new power uses every issue, especially when I have a team of nine. With Uncanny, I'm playing a fairly militarized procedural approach to superheroes - as in, they do the sensible, minimum-effort thing first. You don't do a crazy feat as an initial move on this team, because everyone's organised in a way which crunches down on Loose Cannons. The idea being, as far as you can make a superteam's action feel credible, they feel credible.

Why would he even respond that way if he wasn't bludgeoned with people whinging about her powers?

I think you need to take a step back and calm down because the way some of you carry on puts writers off the character. See Brian Bendis. This is not limited to Storm and those who are crazy about feats it's applies to Rogue and those who flat out hate her relationship with Magneto too.

I'd also like to point out that I'm probably one of the few on these forums that have been pushing her for a more relevant role in the x-books for years from a character perspective. One that doesn't revolve around feats. A scene like that would only serve to build a story for her. So far we've seen Storms dilemma violence v. non-violence and this would have served as another point of tension her husband vs. her family. Storm is encountering conflicts since joining the extinction team and it seems like this trend will continue. After all she is the teams conscience.

And since you brought Emma Frost into this I'd like to point out that at least Emma has been core to the main stories. And if you were to go and look at most of the discussion in her thread it isn't about powers it's about motive. At least she has that, Storm has lost that and Gillen is the first writer that has actually taken a step to fix that problem. It is a joke and in bad form when people rush off to maul a writer and it's not something that usually works in your favour see Matt Fraction, Mike Carey and Brian Bendis for examples.

I feel like Weather God is arguing one point and you're arguing another. You saying Storm has not been with the X-Men really is just wrong. Whether you think she's made a big impact or has been relevant in those stories doesn't really matter. She's been on the team in a certain capacity since the Extremist, and to say she hasn't is just incorrect. I also don't really get what you mean by hard decisions. She chose to stand with the X-men in almost all those stories and follow the lead like everyone else in X-men related books have been doing. I could see how Magneto could question her because maybe he doesn't know the circumstances of why she hasn't been with the X-men 24/7, so that scene wouldn't have bothered me in the least. Weather God doesn't seem to agree with that, but oh well, everyone can have their own opinion.

I think if she had been around in Decimation she would be involved a lot more from a character point of view then a puppet who throws lightning. You can see how Wolverine, Cyclops and Emma have changed because of the situation they've been through. Same for the New X-Men they've been invested in Decimation and first hand experience of being put into the a concentration camp (198) by the government. Storm missed this. Heck Rogue, Shadowcat and Colossus have also been deeply effected. Gambit not so much but I since Storm was once leader of the X-Men I'd expect huge changes especially since the whole franchise because became a lot darker.

Another point to make is X-Force spearheaded the franchise for years. It was basically the book that set up the major crossover events. Emma wasn't a big part of X-Force niether was Beast but they were involved and they were effected. I think if she was used more in that too in some way or form she'd be more relevant to the stories today. When she appeared in Messiah Complex her role was less then Jamie Madrox. She was as relevant as one of the side characters in X-factor. I don't blame the writers for that though because it's difficult to bring in a character to the story when they haven't been a major part of the ongoing plot for years. It doesn't feel organic.

She seemed to be absent (or just unlucky) from the events that defined the x-books. Like being absent from the Utopia crossover was just unlucky. Black Panther was hurt around the same time and I guess the editors felt she needed to be with him. Which is just bad timing really. But she could have benefited greatly from being a part of it. Dani Moonstar benefited greatly from it.

I think Ellis did a good job showing us how her marriage worked but unfortunately that story is self-contained. Worlds Apart as well in a way. I have no idea what was up with her UXM (Matt Fractions run) because there's an issue there when Cyclops told her to stay low as to not cause an international incident for Wakanda. So there's something odd about that maybe editor interference or they were unclear about Doomwar.

As for your initial point. Tabitha has been with the X-Men too but I'd say she's been as active as Storm; who has been torn between two worlds. After Doomwar she seemed to have found some stability.

True, but this is a Storm thread of all things, and her fans are known well for their hostile personalities. EC is flame baiting on purpose so you can't really be surprised if something like this pops up. LOL

Be careful though WR, I don't want to see you getting into any trouble. Their doing it on purpose to get you banned.

I think you're making grave assumptions. I don't think "hostile personalities" is an excuse. And no I'll tell you my reasoning:

Who here think this is going to do anyone any favours:

In passing, while we're talking Storm, there's actually been a couple of Storm questions I'd have loved to have answered if they weren't actually attached to a dig. I do this for fun and because I actually believe in as transparent communication as I can manage with humans. If I want to read insults about the quality of my writing, I'd actually read e-mails from my editors.

And in a real way, it's kinda self destructive. I'm not going to answer any of them. If you actually want to know the answer, just ask the question.And in a real way, it's kinda self destructive. I'm not going to answer any of them. If you actually want to know the answer, just ask the question.

See how being "hostile" is not cool or funny it gets you no where.

[BBeeryan]

Yes and I was the one who provided it before!

Thank you. This scene is better than feats to me. Boss bitch told Unit to recalculate. AMAZING!

Happy belated btw.

[LordAllMighty]

Ehh, there's no need to get that hostile to the point of name calling. Try to stay above it as even ExodusCloak isn't doing that.

Yes, I second this part. Again this wasn't actually written, it was something he was thinking about doing but decided not to do.

You guys are getting hot about something that wasn't done.

[Saturius]

Lot's of stuff

You're not going to get an argument from me on many of your points. Storm hasn't been written well during many of these events, and in some cases, just not at all. I greatly hope Storm starts taking center stage again, because to be given such trivial mention and what often amounted to cameos in some of the big stories over the last decade or so has been downright shameful.. And I don't think there's a single Storm fan in existence, least of all in this thread, that doesn't want better characterization/story for her. They may want better power usage and feats out of her too, but one doesn't negate the other I would think. There are plenty of people in this thread who complain about Storm's lack of presence and meaningful substance in the books. I don't know if you're a regular reader of this forum, but if not, it's a common complaint, so they (we) definitely care. And again., there are also a lot of people who complain about her powers as well. I see both pop up regularly, so I don't really feel one is taking precedence over the other.

Sometimes I do get annoyed when people want a big power feat, but I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with that either. For me, Storm's been treated so bad over the years that even though her throwing around lightning all the time is dull and boring, I don't care. I need someone to get in there and make something happen with Storm story wise, personality wise, and just start making her a major player again. Gillen is alright, but as been mentioned, she needs to stop preaching about violence, and the friction between these powder kegs of personalities need to start exploding. But her in the flagship is as good a start as any I guess.

[The Weather God]

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Yes, "we" can be hostile people, but we only get hostile when other people jerk us around. I think this comes from a large majority of Storm fans because this has some relation to how we project ourselves off of Storm and how we relate to the character. Unyielding and indomitable. If you respect our opinions and "live and let live" then we'd never have to run into problems like this. The problem is too many people come in and make it seem like their opinions are the right ones without giving thought or acknowledgment to others, and it comes off as belittlement.

You baited(I think purposely during a train bait but I could be wrong) and got something that you probably didn't expect but would obviously receive after some of the things you said in your post. The fact is this sort of thing is common among Storm fans, so people should be a bit more careful if they weren't intentionally trying to get stuff started in this thread.

There are alot of strong and well opinionated people in this thread and they can change as quick as weather if you piss them off.

[BBeeryan]

Listen to Saturius, he/she is on the money!

[yanapryde]

Yes, "we" can be hostile people, but we only get hostile when other people jerk us around. I think this comes from a large majority of Storm fans because this has some relation to how we project ourselves off of Storm and how we relate to the character. Unyielding and indomitable.

There are alot of strong and well opinionated people in this thread and they can change as quick as weather if you piss them off.

[The Weather God]

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Well it's true. Her strong willed personality are one of the main factors that draw these people to this character. She doesn't take non-sense and it's the same with her fans. Laugh at it or taunt it all you want, but don't look surprised when you end up being lashed out on next time or called out of your name. It's bound to happen with an attitude like that...

[RolandJP]

I often confuse an Orgasm with an Eyeroll.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[BBeeryan]

You would, Quagmire. Jk

[RLAAMJR.]

so the discusiion is over and unfortunately not one of you one but me. hehehe joke! : )

so any new Storm panels/scans please?

[Windrider]

[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;15137980]I suggest you go and look at his forumspring again. Kieron Gillen answers all those Storm questions in one post and notes that they were feats orientated.

I suggest you go back and read the question to Gillen. Nothing about that questions are "feats" oriented. I am well aware of what Gillen stated but he misunderstood the question. I sent him the original question and I clarified in a subsequent post to him that I was not asking about feats, only asking if we will see some creativity with her powers. It gets tiresome when not only him, Fraction did this 90% of time as well, where all she gets is limited dialogue with little to no relevance and just uses the same power repeatedly in practically every appearance in the title. It gives the impression that he does not know what to do with the character, and I'd be fine if he choice to leave her out of his roster if he doesn't know how he wants to use her.

I actually told him that I liked his work thus far, which for the most part I do, but I don't see a problem with asking him questions about his plans for or use of Storm. I should be able to share my opinion with him as a fan of the book (constructively of course), and who knows if it would make a difference that could improve the reading experience for others who share my thoughts as well, which he obviously recognizes since he indicated that he has received a lot of inquiries regarding his use of Storm. Nothing about my question was a "dig" at his writing or asking him to give her power feats. Asking for creative use of her powers (I later explained "other than lightning") doesn't equal = please give her feats...

And my comments to you were in response to your insultive comments about the question I posed to Gillen, and your clear attempts at taking jabs at Storm fans, which you have done on the regular here. Your bold enough to come into her forums to talk shit then be ready to take some of your own medicine, and don't complain or look to educate anyone on not being hostile when your guilty of causing the problem in the first place.

[AdvanceBushido]

Trolls will be trolls!