Ororo Munroe / Storm Appreciation VI

[Shade101]

That has been my argument from the courtship. I am going to scream this from the rooftops because I have been sitting on this for years. When I first went to HEF and told them this would happen, I was told I was wrong...I am just gonna say: I was right.

No. I'm saying the marriage was written to fail. It could have been a success basically. I'm not saying it was a failure from the get go. Let's not get confused on that.

That's been my main point for years. This whole storyline was a waste of time unless for the FF stories McDuffie did. Those were awesome and I am glad they got to be told. Most of the other stuff was a waste of time.

Yes. But I believe they always intended to end it anyways. That's what I'm saying.

How much has Storm done for him over the years? She saved his life, saved his soul, his kingdom... There is nothing she hasn't done for him. He really hasn't been written to be a strong partner or concerned about her. He's been portrayed as a very selfish husband and I said this would happen from the beginning.

I would hope no one to be that trivial to count how many times they've done something for their loved one and vice versa. Yes to all the other stuff, but no to the counting of good deeds. It should never be that way. I'm actually going through something similar with my family members.

Scott did no such thing. He just did the same thing she did to him. She ignored him and did what he wanted to do anyway. The annoying thing about that is that the old Storm would never have put up with that. That I miss.

Uh yes he did. I vividly remember him saying such a thing to her. I'm crazy, but not that damn crazy.

Yes we do have to accept it but we don't have to settle for it. There is a difference.

o

No. I don't accept it. And there is no difference. If you're settling for it, your accepting it. If you're accepting it your settling for it. No.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Anyway you guyz. Who gets the cutlery?

[Imraith Nimphais]

She seems certainly willing to take T'Challa to task for going along with a decision that is not even his own. After all, he is just following orders.
While I did not expect her to "take Scott out"...being his moral compass I would have expected her to be a bit more adamant in voicing her opinion. She says and does nothing more. Again, if there is another page that shows otherwise...I would gladly stand corrected.

But, like I said, this is not her (poorly written) story she is just a "footsoldier"...so her in-actions are quite understandable, if not acceptable.

[Omegastorm]

No. I'm saying the marriage was written to fail. It could have been a success basically. I'm not saying it was a failure from the get go. Let's not get confused on that.

I get that. But I read the weak premises from Dickey's Storm's mini and Hudlin's lackluster (craptastic) writing. They were never serious about this.

Yes. But I believe they always intended to end it anyways. That's what I'm saying.

At the time I don't think they were. hudlin and others wanted this to last.

I would hope no one to be that trivial to count how many times they've done something for their loved one and vice versa. Yes to all the other stuff, but no to the counting of good deeds. It should never be that way. I'm actually going through something similar with my family members.

That's fair and I agree about unconditional love. My point in bringing that up was to illustrate that T'challa doesn't love Storm as much as she loves him and that's not fair to her.

Uh yes he did. I vividly remember him saying such a thing to her. I'm crazy, but not that damn crazy.

I trust you and believe you are right. I just don't remember that at all.

No. I don't accept it. And there is no difference. If you're settling for it, your accepting it. If you're accepting it your settling for it. No.

Accepting something is acknowledging that it happened. That's all I mean when I say I accept it. I never said it was ok or that it's the way things should be. I won't settle for her to be less than Scott in this. She's better at providing a long term vision...

o

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Storm's very popular today.

[xfire]

Yes she is! YES YES YES!

[Imraith Nimphais]

Yes she is! YES YES YES!

...but for all the wrong reasons.

[xfire]

...but for all the wrong reasons.

Storm can't stand up for herself?

[Omegastorm]

...but for all the wrong reasons.

What are those wrong reasons?

o

[Imraith Nimphais]

Horrible mis-characterisation.

[Naxohh]

I think that in this issue Ororo "made ​​her voice heard to her husband", I have rarely seen comics where Storm talk like that to T'Challa, and it's always good to have Ororo as a subplot, at least for a bit in a big event with so many other issues that could have been shown. I like to be positive.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Horrible mis-characterisation.

One horrible mis-characterisation helps annul another. They cancel each other out.

[The Weather God]

Very nice discussion going on, I love the passion, intelligence, and respectfulness being exchanged here. It's long overdue that we finally get to discuss the closing of the marriage in an overall analogy.

The marriage has been tumbling since the moment it first came into fruition. It wasn't brought together strongly but that didn't change the fact in how strong these characters were and how passionate each fanbase is with them. I would just like to say that I really wanted this to work. This could have been a great example of a strong black superhero marriage between two of Marvel's top black characters. It could have been revolutionary and innovative from the ground up. Both of these characters come from Marvel's top teams so this could have been so grand and so good if everything was done right.They both had transcended gender but all Hudlin seemed to care about was turning this into a racial thing. This could have been something that everyone could have loved and enjoyed, but it never should have happened in the beginning. These characters should have been brought together more delicately, and they should have been experimented with before they were brought together in marriage.

The moment they gave this project to Hudlin was when they failed. He wrote these characters into a hole and both of them are still trying to recover from the effects. I say this with respect to both characters. It wasn't a good marriage. Whether we blame the writers or the characters or the sales or the race or Marvel. It just wasn't handled properly overall. T'Challa was eventually written as a terrible husband and Storm was eventually written as too weak. Both received gifts from the other but ultimately they both ended up not being good for each other. It's a shame really but we have to accept the fact that writers didn't really have much care for it to begin with and this was mostly the reason it wasn't successful.

[Shade101]

I get that. But I read the weak premises from Dickey's Storm's mini and Hudlin's lackluster (craptastic) writing. They were never serious about this.

Weak? Hell yes they were weak. But I do think they were legit about it. However horrible that retcon was, I don't believe it was written with ill intentions. I could be wrong.

At the time I don't think they were. hudlin and others wanted this to last.

Maybe so. But maybe Hudlin and others weren't in on it. I don't understand how it could go from Hudlin and McDuffie trying to make it something good, to other writers outright disregarding it. Do you get what I mean? It's fishy to me.

That's fair and I agree about unconditional love. My point in bringing that up was to illustrate that T'challa doesn't love Storm as much as she loves him and that's not fair to her.

It sure seemed that way didn't it?

I trust you and believe you are right. I just don't remember that at all.

Yes honey. Shade will never steer you wrong. Lol

Accepting something is acknowledging that it happened. That's all I mean when I say I accept it. I never said it was ok or that it's the way things should be. I won't settle for her to be less than Scott in this. She's better at providing a long term vision...

o

Indeed.

[Omegastorm]

Weak? Hell yes they were weak. But I do think they were legit about it. However horrible that retcon was, I don't believe it was written with ill intentions. I could be wrong.

I am not sure it matters if it was done with malice or not. I just never got the impression that Dickey even cared. I honestly got the impression that Hudlin only cared about telling Panther's story with Storm as an appendage. It never felt like an equal union from the beginning.

Maybe so. But maybe Hudlin and others weren't in on it. I don't understand how it could go from Hudlin and McDuffie trying to make it something good, to other writers outright disregarding it. Do you get what I mean? It's fishy to me.

The key difference between Hudlin and McDuffie is that McDuffie wanted his run to be epic and had the talent to back it up. Hudlin wanted his story to be epic because he wanted the first power black couple to be portrayed in comics, he did not have the talent to back that up.

It sure seemed that way didn't it?

That's what I am saying.

Yes honey. Shade will never steer you wrong. Lol

LOViNG U!!

Very nice discussion going on, I love the passion, intelligence, and respectfulness being exchanged here. It's long overdue that we finally get to discuss the closing of the marriage in an overall analogy.

Thank you, jump on in the water is fine.

The marriage has been tumbling since the moment it first came into fruition. It wasn't brought together strongly but that didn't change the fact in how strong these characters were and how passionate each fanbase is with them. I would just like to say that I really wanted this to work. This could have been a great example of a strong black superhero marriage between two of Marvel's top black characters. It could have been revolutionary and innovative from the ground up. Both of these characters come from Marvel's top teams so this could have been so grand and so good if everything was done right.They both had transcended gender but all Hudlin seemed to care about was turning this into a racial thing. This could have been something that everyone could have loved and enjoyed, but it never should have happened in the beginning. These characters should have been brought together more delicately, and they should have been experimented with before they were brought together in marriage.

The moment they gave this project to Hudlin was when they failed. He wrote these characters into a hole and both of them are still trying to recover from the effects. I say this with respect to both characters. It wasn't a good marriage. Whether we blame the writers or the characters or the sales or the race or Marvel. It just wasn't handled properly overall. T'Challa was eventually written as a terrible husband and Storm was eventually written as too weak. Both received gifts from the other but ultimately they both ended up not being good for each other. It's a shame really but we have to accept the fact that writers didn't really have much care for it to begin with and this was mostly the reason it wasn't successful.

Agreed and great points. Keep em coming.

o