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    With Skyfall the folks that made the movies seem to have read the Flemming books, witch since the first two bond Movies is a refreshing change.

    I prefere the books Bonds to the film version, at least I did until Skyfall
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    With Skyfall the folks that made the movies seem to have read the Flemming books, witch since the first two bond Movies is a refreshing change.

    I prefere the books Bonds to the film version, at least I did until Skyfall
    it was nice to see those nods to the books and the history of the character in general

    and Moneypenny is super fine
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    I didn't like Skyfall much. Not only we didn't have a villain wich much epic plans, it was more of a personal thing but I hated the idea of returning to status quo by the film's end with Moneypenny, a male M and Q. It's like Wilson and Brocolli went "alright enough with the new stuff, let's go back to the tired formula". To think Casino Royale opened so much possibilities for reinvention. All this for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I didn't like Skyfall much. Not only we didn't have a villain wich much epic plans, it was more of a personal thing but I hated the idea of returning to status quo by the film's end with Moneypenny, a male M and Q. It's like Wilson and Brocolli went "alright enough with the new stuff, let's go back to the tired formula". To think Casino Royale opened so much possibilities for reinvention. All this for nothing.
    that is a bit of a defeatist way to look at it....theyve hinted that the position of M does migrate..and its Ralph Fiennes, I loved Judi Dench immensely, but Fiennes is hardly what I would call a step backwards

    and it looks like MI6 is back to being a more scaled down operation
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    I don't know, I loved Judy Dench and she was hands down my favorite M but she couldn't play the role forever so it was bound to go to another actor sooner or later. Moneypenny was a bit of a turn off though, especially as the actress seemed like a real ass kicker so it seemed like an odd turn for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    that is a bit of a defeatist way to look at it....theyve hinted that the position of M does migrate..and its Ralph Fiennes, I loved Judi Dench immensely, but Fiennes is hardly what I would call a step backwards

    and it looks like MI6 is back to being a more scaled down operation
    Don't get me wrong, I love that Fienne got the job but it just felt like "let's get back to the old, familar stuff". Casino Royale felt all around so fresh all around, offering so many possibilities as far reinventing the epic spy movie. I was especially disappointed by the villain, he felt so cartoonish, he was sort of The Joker in Dark Knight, a disfigured guy who gets quickly caught and it's all a design.

    The whole plot was so unexciting also. By the time they were at Bond's school and I realised this was the big finale, I was so underhelmed and disappointed. For a Bond flick it was so tame. It never got close to Mission Impossible 4 for example.

    Leaving Judie Dench aside does not pains me as yea you have to turn the page down but it did offer something as far as relationship. Hopefully in the next flicks we won't have Fienne just sitting at his desk and saying "Oooooh 007!".
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    school? that was Bonds family home

    granted its not your typical Bond movie with a over the top villain and big flashy third act set piece, but I think it told its story well

    not every Bond villain can be Sean Bean or Jonathan Pryce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    school? that was Bonds family home

    granted its not your typical Bond movie with a over the top villain and big flashy third act set piece, but I think it told its story well

    not every Bond villain can be Sean Bean or Jonathan Pryce
    But what I liked about Casino Royale was that there was an undercurrent that someone was behind the whole thing, a secret organization. And while Quantum was not good, it was the same guys pulling the strings. I wish they would have continued on that story, so it is a continued narrative and Bond has this personal grudge againt them because Vesper died. With Skyfall it felt like alright we're back to pre-Craig Bond, with the same type of one dimensional crazies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    But what I liked about Casino Royale was that there was an undercurrent that someone was behind the whole thing, a secret organization. And while Quantum was not good, it was the same guys pulling the strings. I wish they would have continued on that story, so it is a continued narrative and Bond has this personal grudge againt them because Vesper died. With Skyfall it felt like alright we're back to pre-Craig Bond, with the same type of one dimensional crazies.
    You do know that thats not fresh or new right?

    Spectre. Was behind Dr. No in film #1, went to get revenge on Bond in film #2, were absent from film #3 (much like in Craig's run), had the grandest scheme to hold the world hostage in film #4, Bond finally meets the leader in #5, they kill his wife in film #6, Bond goes on revenge spree agianst them at the start of film #7, then unfortunatly the head of Spectre (Ernst Stavro Blofeld) was unspectacularly killed off in film in #12.

    And to be completely honest Quantum was never going to be favorably compared to Spectre. They were the main villains at the highest point of the series.

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    Silva's plot in Skyfall could easily be tied back to Quantum in a sequel. The possibility may even be increased if Mendes returns for another outing.
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    There were some plans I believe to bring back SPECTRE in The Spy Who Loved Me, but somebody else had the rights to that (and made NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN, which also had SPECTRE since it was a remake of THUNDERBALL). Diamonds Are Forever also was originally planned to have Goldfinger's brother or something (and it's clearly an attempt to return to the GOLDFINGER magic with the same director and title singer) but we ended up with Blofeld again.

    I think the video games have tried to tie Goldfinger to SPECTRE in some way, but it's best to ignore those.

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    First, I think Skyfall was one of the best Bond films.
    All this talk about secret organizations trying for world domination reminds me of Austin Powers when Number 2 tells Dr. Evil how much the legitimate Corp makes.
    We already have extra national organizations dominating the world, their names are Exxon and Goldman Sachs and Walmart. And they don't have anything to fear from governments.
    We live in a world were the small terror group or lone hacker are very real dangers. I thought Silva was a great villain and foil for Bond.
    The nods to the past were also wonderful. I loved seeing the AM DB5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancerman View Post
    You do know that thats not fresh or new right?

    Spectre. Was behind Dr. No in film #1, went to get revenge on Bond in film #2, were absent from film #3 (much like in Craig's run), had the grandest scheme to hold the world hostage in film #4, Bond finally meets the leader in #5, they kill his wife in film #6, Bond goes on revenge spree agianst them at the start of film #7, then unfortunatly the head of Spectre (Ernst Stavro Blofeld) was unspectacularly killed off in film in #12.

    And to be completely honest Quantum was never going to be favorably compared to Spectre. They were the main villains at the highest point of the series.
    But the fact that CR started with a super-spy taking action and then realising there's a secret criminal organization behind it I think started an interesting narrative and I think they should have continued in that vein because it makes the whole thing more epic and fresh. In the past random viewers would watch Bond movies and think oh that's another villain wanting to rule the World and really never connected with the idea of someone behind the scene until we first saw Blofeld. But the concept behind CR and Quantum itself was about a secret organization and this epic struggle. That's what the story is all about, not just Bond defeating a mad man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edhopper View Post
    First, I think Skyfall was one of the best Bond films.
    All this talk about secret organizations trying for world domination reminds me of Austin Powers when Number 2 tells Dr. Evil how much the legitimate Corp makes.
    We already have extra national organizations dominating the world, their names are Exxon and Goldman Sachs and Walmart. And they don't have anything to fear from governments.
    We live in a world were the small terror group or lone hacker are very real dangers. I thought Silva was a great villain and foil for Bond.
    The nods to the past were also wonderful. I loved seeing the AM DB5

    Silva was basically the Joker. It's like Brocoli and Wilson watched Dark Knight and thought "we want that!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Silva was basically the Joker. It's like Brocoli and Wilson watched Dark Knight and thought "we want that!".
    True to an extent. He was a villain in that vein. But Silva had a back story and motivation behind his actions. We knew who he was and what he wanted. The Joker was a sociopath who, as Alfred said, "just wanted to see it all burn." We never knew who or what he was.

    I thought he was much more menacing than many of the Bond villains.

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