Black Panther Appreciation VII: "Return of the King"

[Mr MajestiK]

Overall, I really don't think there are any valid complaints to be had with Panther's depiction in Avengers cartoon. He's never been more bad ass in a team setting

No one's denying T'Challa's undeniable bad ass status in the EMH cartoon but complaints about his running on all fours are valid to some even though they may not be to you.

[Umbra]

Have to Bring BP into Avengers 2, or just onto the big screen?

Avengers 2.

[Mr MajestiK]

Agreed...anything goes when you can change founders. Marvel is going to be under scrutiny. You hear them say they need more females, true. But if you are going to use SLJ as a excuse then the same should apply with M.Hill right? I mean she was there, she also had a action scene.

This is why that Avengers movie thread is so funny. The mindless double thing and lame excuses are beyond astounding.

I think they are going to have to bring him on...maybe that's why publishing now wants to feature him? That's funny style.

Bro, I'm so glad you mentioned the Maria Hill thing.

It's not as if her character has cropped up in any of the other Marvel movies but they had no problem including her in the Avengers joint.

If Whedon had wanted T'Challa in the movie it would have happened.

[Bone2pick]

Avengers 2.

I can't imagine Marvel or Joss thinking they have to include any specific new character in A2. A1 was a box office crusher, the most successful comic book movie of all time, all with Whedon's script. He may very well put in T'Challa in his next film, but I think Joss is just gonna go with the story that he wants to tell. Maybe that includes BP, maybe not. I would bet on a new female character being introduced in A2, but outside of that I would think everyone else is up in the air.

[Umbra]

I can't imagine Marvel or Joss thinking they have to include any specific new character in A2. A1 was a box office crusher, the most successful comic book movie of all time, all with Whedon's script. He may very well put in T'Challa in his next film, but I think Joss is just gonna go with the story that he wants to tell. Maybe that includes BP, maybe not. I would bet on a new female character being introduced in A2, but outside of that I would think everyone else is up in the air.

Well he said it about females! So why the double standard on their part? Yeah, they better add him, or folks will start to look at the franchise funny. It was a smash hit because people of all backgrounds went to see the film. If they want to remine that way, they better...or there will be backlash. Period!
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Josh own comments about adding more females..yet the entire team is white, and you have the first black character in all comics, who was also the first Black Avenger? there is simply no excuse. Write him in...

Again, even Stan Lee is saying he should be on the team.

Yeah, he will add who he wants until Kevin Feigh or Disney says otherwise..and Disney has always been suspect. They have a issue, just like the female problem. It's the same thing..and it will only open peoples eyes to how comics are..

[Mr MajestiK]

Well he said it about females! So why the double standard on their part? Yeah, they better add him, or folks will start to look at the franchise funny. It was a smash hit because people of all backgrounds went to see the film. If they want to remine that way, they better...or there will be backlash. Period!
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Josh own comments about adding more females..yet the entire team is white, and you have the first black character in all comics, who was also the first Black Avenger? there is simply no excuse. Write him in...

Again, even Stan Lee is saying he should be on the team.

Yeah, he will add who he wants until Kevin Feigh or Disney says otherwise..and Disney has always been suspect. They have a issue, just like the female problem. It's the same thing..and it will only open peoples eyes to how comics are..

Agreed 100% on all counts.

We have a situation where even the games industry have realized that inclusiveness goes a long way to making their products more marketable so it's really sad to see Marvel falling flat on their faces in this regard.

Every single Avenger on display in the movie was white which gives the subliminal impresion that it's a closed club only open to a select few with the complexion for the connection.

Maria Hill is just a jane-come-lately to the 616 MU but she got to appear in the Avengers movie.

What possible excuse could Marvel possibly have for the exclusion of characters like the Black Panther, Falcon or even Luke Cage?

[Umbra]

Agreed 100% on all counts.

We have a situation where even the games industry have realized that inclusiveness goes a long way to making their products more marketable so it's really sad to see Marvel falling flat on their faces in this regard.

Every single Avenger on display in the movie was white which gives the subliminal impresion that it's a closed club only open to a select few with the complexion for the connection.

Maria Hill is just a jane-come-lately to the 616 MU but she got to appear in the Avengers movie.

What possible excuse could Marvel possibly have for the exclusion of characters like the Black Panther, Falcon or even Luke Cage?

None, other then excuses. Fury is not a super hero..he is not on the team...yeah they can add him to the action...but most folks are not feeling him like that, for the reasons you state. Again they have a problem.

I really think the whole, plans for next year might have something to do with the suits up top...really, they are losing money..not pushing a character like BP.

[Bone2pick]

Well he said it about females! So why the double standard on their part? Yeah, they better add him, or folks will start to look at the franchise funny. It was a smash hit because people of all backgrounds went to see the film. If they want to remine that way, they better...or there will be backlash. Period!
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Josh own comments about adding more females..yet the entire team is white, and you have the first black character in all comics, who was also the first Black Avenger? there is simply no excuse. Write him in...

Again, even Stan Lee is saying he should be on the team.

Yeah, he will add who he wants until Kevin Feigh or Disney says otherwise..and Disney has always been suspect. They have a issue, just like the female problem. It's the same thing..and it will only open peoples eyes to how comics are..

Well I can’t speak for them, I can only form assumptions based on interviews and discussions that I‘ve read and watched.

And as to a possible commercial backlash, I’m not sure I’m convinced. The top grossing movies of all times doesn't show proof that A2 would dip if specific characters aren't included. Maybe it would suffer commercially, maybe not. If the script is smart, the action amazing, and the characters engaging, then I would think that it’ll prosper no matter who’s left out.

As for myself, my two wish-list characters to make their entrance in A2 would be Ms Marvel and Black Panther. But who knows, it’s up to Joss I suspect.

And who knows how Marvel is looking at it? Maybe they think T’Challa is in good shape because he’s getting (supposedly) his own film. Maybe they plan on saving BP for Avengers 3, or Cap 3 and then into Avengers 3. Black Panther onto the big screen is a cat that they possibly think there’s more than one way to skin, or to approach.

[Jabare]

No one's denying T'Challa's undeniable bad ass status in the EMH cartoon but complaints about his running on all fours are valid to some even though they may not be to you.

I'd say the running on all fours thing is just an attribute of him being more meta human in this show. And for the vast majority of this show he runs upright. Its only for roughly two seconds we see him running for all fours, and I'd wager it was done more so as an evasionary tactic as he got closer to Ironman. Keeping him close to the ground.

[Umbra]

Well I can’t speak for them, I can only form assumptions based on interviews and discussions that I‘ve read and watched.

And as to a possible commercial backlash, I’m not sure I’m convinced. The top grossing movies of all times doesn't show proof that A2 would dip if specific characters aren't included. Maybe it would suffer commercially, maybe not. If the script is smart, the action amazing, and the characters engaging, then I would think that it’ll prosper no matter who’s left out.

As for myself, my two wish-list characters to make their entrance in A2 would be Ms Marvel and Black Panther. But who knows, it’s up to Joss I suspect.

And who knows how Marvel is looking at it? Maybe they think T’Challa is in good shape because he’s getting (supposedly) his own film. Maybe they plan on saving BP for Avengers 3, or Cap 3 and then into Avengers 3. Black Panther onto the big screen is a cat that they possibly think there’s more than one way to skin, or to approach.

Kinda like Green Lantern? I bet you they wished they had JLU fans who where fans of John Steward supporting the movie, a lot did not..fans who grew up on the show. Again, you are arguing for them! It's simple as this...just like they have a female issue..they also have a race issue. It's simple as that..

[Mr MajestiK]

I'd say the running on all fours thing is just an attribute of him being more meta human in this show. And for the vast majority of this show he runs upright. Its only for roughly two seconds we see him running for all fours, and I'd wager it was done more so as an evasionary tactic as he got closer to Ironman. Keeping him close to the ground.

Umbra's already broken this down in a similar manner so I get what you're both saying.

I just don't like seeing T'Challa running on all fours especially as that's never been part of his mode of movement in the comic books.

[Mr MajestiK]

Kinda like Green Lantern? I bet you they wished they has JLU fans who where fans of John Steward supporting the movie, a lot did not..fans who grew up on the show. Again, you are arguing for them! It's simple as this...just like they have a female issue..they also have a race issue. It's simple as that..

Basically.

If they'd used the John Stewart iteration maybe the Green Lantern movie wouldn't have bombed as badly as it did but then again with that wack ass script I guess the GL movie was doomed whichever way you looked at it.

As for the Black Panther Avengers debate, I'm totally with you across the board.

[Umbra]

Umbra's already broken this down in a similar manner so I get what you're both saying.

I just don't like seeing T'Challa running on all fours especially as that's never been part of his mode of movement in the comic books.

I'd rather see him like Ironman Armored Aventures. He did it once...other then that he was up right. I kinda agree with you and roland after thinking about. It's ok, but it should be limited...again there was on cringe worth example greg brought up..I think Verse the Masters of Evil and that was just bad.

So it might be better not to do it..because looked like a dog, like a freaking pit bull ready to attack or something. He can still be meta without it...IMAA is a good example.

I think it's a valid point. And while that was my argument, if you guys think this....then what about folks who don't know all this stuff?

[Bone2pick]

Kinda like Green Lantern? I bet you they wished they had JLU fans who where fans of John Steward supporting the movie, a lot did not..fans who grew up on the show. Again, you are arguing for them! It's simple as this...just like they have a female issue..they also have a race issue. It's simple as that..

GL had bad word of mouth, it's a bad film, and it got a bad rating. Green Lantern is an irrelevant comparison.

And arguing for them by not agreeing that Marvel and Whedon believes that it's BP in Avengers two or bust? Or the general public believes that for that matter? I don't just post affirmation for people here, I put down perspective. I've already cited that I want him included.

Avengers does have racial and gender issues, but it hasn't hurt their commercial success. If not addressed it may hurt their sequels success, but there's no proof it will. I doubt it will force Whedon's hand with his script, he'll work with the story and characters that he feels compelled to. Simple as that.

[dbcb314]

I loved it..they should have both..that is part of what Wakanda should be...

Modern and Tribal
Technological and mystical
New traditions vs old traditions

There is a wealth of stuff you can do.

The only difference between the scan from EMH was they were using Iklwa that looked like light sabers and had power armor..but these are his spec op warriors, you should also have tribal warriors since not all the tribes like technology. There is so much a writer could do with this.

I'm amped to see what Hickman has planned. He is a world builder.

I thought the skrulls shut down all of wakandas tech, right before wakanda shut down all of the skrull tech. That is why they were all using basic stuff.