Black Panther Appreciation VII: "Return of the King"

[Umbra]

But would T'Challa go to Utopia along with the other Avengers to fight the X-Men or would he figure out something on his own. He doesn't join the X-Club but I can definitely see him working with them to find a solution along with McCoy and Pym. I don't see the logic behind T'Challa on a quincarrier gettting ready to fight the X-Men. He would be somewhere else trying to find a solution to the Phoenix problem itself.

Yeah, but that's the thing hurting him the most. Doing everything on his own, he doesn't have a book anymore and this is what gives writers who want to ignore him and write him off a big reason to do so. At least they are trying to put him in the action, at least Aaron is.

Face it. T'challa having a solo right now is not the right or correct thing to do in my opinion. At least, not until he is a major part of a team...then getting a solo. This is a way to get him into the Avengers, I think. Ironman could be doing the same thing as T'challa, working on solution.

We don't know what he is going to do, it might be nothing at all. That's highly likely, but there is a chance that he does something in Aaron's issues and even in the other book VS. Because at this point they have not even announced most of the titles. There is like 12 issues plus however long Vs is...

So I'm wait and see...if he doesn't do anything it's par the course. If he does, great. But the real story is after the event...and him being a part of the event, sets him up to be a part of the aftermath organically. Which to fanboys, matters I guess.

Plus, I think that Aaron, likes Action-Black Panther. He is only one dude though...and there are a whole bunch of creators...controlling the story.

I'm still hoping that Aaron gets to write him on a team, or maybe Hickman. When the new creative teams are announced. All of this is Marvel answer to D.C's 52. But part of the Marvel brain trust has that same stupid "big 4" mentality vs. guys like Aaron who just write.

[dbcb314]

BPs appearances EMH...

- seen moving starks armor with cap and war machine

- aim comes for the suits, cap and bp kick butt, tchalla informs everyone who aim is

- aim wants panthers vibrainium he has on him as well

-cap and bp cover so rhodey can get to his armor

- kick more butt




- they also show a commercial of future emh episode, showing tchalla revealing a skrull and saying they can trust no one, including themselves.
... and it loks lime they are in wakanda when he reveals the skrull and he has a more kingly outfit.. see wakanda and die anyone?

[dbcb314]

I hope I don't get flogged for this, but (with this small sample size) I think we are seeing why Loeb thought he had to step in.

The first episode had no Thor and Cap was secondary. The second episode had no Thor or Hulk. But both episodes featured T'challa both in action and with him acting as a "narrator" of sorts. And both episodes featured a secondary character/team (Warm Machine, F4) kicking but.

And add in the fact that during commercials, it made it sound like t'challa is the one that first outs the Skrulls and first starts the "we can trust no one" thing. And rebuiling Caps shield...

And Loeb, thinking like an idiot and not seeing the big picture (aka getting more and more characters as popular as the big 4) probably saw this as "bad for business."


Also... they are doing this secret war thing BRILLIANTLY. Just subtle things like Doom seeing Sue as a Skrull and Cap getting ahold of all of Starks files... these writers are brilliant. (I am missing Thor though lol)

[dbcb314]

Yeah, but that's the thing hurting him the most. Doing everything on his own, he doesn't have a book anymore and this is what gives writers who want to ignore him and write him off a big reason to do so. At least they are trying to put him in the action, at least Aaron is.

Face it. T'challa having a solo right now is not the right or correct thing to do in my opinion. At least, not until he is a major part of a team...then getting a solo. This is a way to get him into the Avengers, I think. Ironman could be doing the same thing as T'challa, working on solution.

We don't know what he is going to do, it might be nothing at all. That's highly likely, but there is a chance that he does something in Aaron's issues and even in the other book VS. Because at this point they have not even announced most of the titles. There is like 12 issues plus however long Vs is...

So I'm wait and see...if he doesn't do anything it's par the course. If he does, great. But the real story is after the event...and him being a part of the event, sets him up to be a part of the aftermath organically. Which to fanboys, matters I guess.

Plus, I think that Aaron, likes Action-Black Panther. He is only one dude though...and there are a whole bunch of creators...controlling the story.

I'm still hoping that Aaron gets to write him on a team, or maybe Hickman. When the new creative teams are announced. All of this is Marvel answer to D.C's 52. But part of the Marvel brain trust has that same stupid "big 4" mentality vs. guys like Aaron who just write.

I agree 100% with this post.

Getting BP as wall paper for this event ist he first step to getting him on an Avengers team. From there, we hope he is featured enough that his popularity can substain another solo.

Just throwing another solo out their right now would just be begging for it to be cancelled in 10 issues.

(oh and give him his powers back damnit!)

[Umbra]

I hope I don't get flogged for this, but (with this small sample size) I think we are seeing why Loeb thought he had to step in.

The first episode had no Thor and Cap was secondary. The second episode had no Thor or Hulk. But both episodes featured T'challa both in action and with him acting as a "narrator" of sorts. And both episodes featured a secondary character/team (Warm Machine, F4) kicking but.

And add in the fact that during commercials, it made it sound like t'challa is the one that first outs the Skrulls and first starts the "we can trust no one" thing. And rebuiling Caps shield...

And Loeb, thinking like an idiot and not seeing the big picture (aka getting more and more characters as popular as the big 4) probably saw this as "bad for business."


Also... they are doing this secret war thing BRILLIANTLY. Just subtle things like Doom seeing Sue as a Skrull and Cap getting ahold of all of Starks files... these writers are brilliant. (I am missing Thor though lol)

Nah...Loeb has no reason to step in. Let the story play out. Thor has TONS of focus the first season, so did the Hulk. Ironman is always the focus in every story line, Cap is still a major part of the meta plot of the story...Yost and Fine are/were doing the right thing with building up other characters.

Loeb want's to turn it into the Big 4 should where everyone else is basically like how Ultimate Spiderman is...wall paper and only doing one punch, then are saved by the big 4...that's garbage.

Yost and Fine are using a stoyline, so in some cases different characters would not appear... and kids really don't care as long as the story is good. A:EMH is leaps and bounds better the U:Spiderman.

And the way Cage, Ironfist, Nova and WT were shown...it really makes me worry.

[marvell2100]

Yeah, but that's the thing hurting him the most. Doing everything on his own, he doesn't have a book anymore and this is what gives writers who want to ignore him and write him off a big reason to do so. At least they are trying to put him in the action, at least Aaron is.

Face it. T'challa having a solo right now is not the right or correct thing to do in my opinion. At least, not until he is a major part of a team...then getting a solo. This is a way to get him into the Avengers, I think. Ironman could be doing the same thing as T'challa, working on solution.

We don't know what he is going to do, it might be nothing at all. That's highly likely, but there is a chance that he does something in Aaron's issues and even in the other book VS. Because at this point they have not even announced most of the titles. There is like 12 issues plus however long Vs is...

So I'm wait and see...if he doesn't do anything it's par the course. If he does, great. But the real story is after the event...and him being a part of the event, sets him up to be a part of the aftermath organically. Which to fanboys, matters I guess.

Plus, I think that Aaron, likes Action-Black Panther. He is only one dude though...and there are a whole bunch of creators...controlling the story.

I'm still hoping that Aaron gets to write him on a team, or maybe Hickman. When the new creative teams are announced. All of this is Marvel answer to D.C's 52. But part of the Marvel brain trust has that same stupid "big 4" mentality vs. guys like Aaron who just write.

That's the thing though. How do they intend to use him in this event? I think he's better served working with the X-Club to come up with a solution or at least a way to contain hope and the PF. This gives him a strong tie to the X-Books and maybe smooth things over with his wife. But if they just plan to have him as another body to throw at the Extinction Team like so much cannon fodder, then they aren't using him correctly imo. Even if he is involved in the fighting will they show his intellect as well as his fighting prowess? A powerless Storm managed to take down Cyclops. Just imagine what a well prepared Black Panther should be capable of. He shouldn't single-handedly take down the entire Extinction Team but he is the one they should probably fear the most. He has the tech and the know how to take down alot of super powered people and he isn't afraid to do so.

I guess that's my whole concern over this. Steve is a strategist and tactician. Scott is a strategist and tactician. T'Challa is a genius, a strategist and tactician. I just don't want them to ignore this fact.

[Umbra]

DB, I want to like Loeb, I actually like the story behind the new Nova and I can respect it. But because of crap like this, lol...he really has a place in my dog house. A:EMH is great...and Marvel should use this model for there comics..maybe folks would start returning to comics??? and T'challa is nearly perfect on this show...this is how they need to use him.

[Brandon McKinnis]

I Loeb being placed in charge of television shows has taught me anything it's that Avengers is going to get progressively worse and then cancelled.

[marvell2100]

I hope I don't get flogged for this, but (with this small sample size) I think we are seeing why Loeb thought he had to step in.

The first episode had no Thor and Cap was secondary. The second episode had no Thor or Hulk. But both episodes featured T'challa both in action and with him acting as a "narrator" of sorts. And both episodes featured a secondary character/team (Warm Machine, F4) kicking but.

And add in the fact that during commercials, it made it sound like t'challa is the one that first outs the Skrulls and first starts the "we can trust no one" thing. And rebuiling Caps shield...

And Loeb, thinking like an idiot and not seeing the big picture (aka getting more and more characters as popular as the big 4) probably saw this as "bad for business."


Also... they are doing this secret war thing BRILLIANTLY. Just subtle things like Doom seeing Sue as a Skrull and Cap getting ahold of all of Starks files... these writers are brilliant. (I am missing Thor though lol)

Loeb is overthinking this. Look at what DC did with Justice League Unlimited. Various characters had a chance to shine throughout the series and in the end it was the Flash who saved the day.

[dbcb314]

Nah...Loeb has no reason to step in. Let the story play out. Thor has TONS of focus the first season, so did the Hulk. Ironman is always the focus in every story line, Cap is still a major part of the meta plot of the story...Yost and Fine are/were doing the right thing with building up other characters.

Loeb want's to turn it into the Big 4 should where everyone else is basically like how Ultimate Spiderman is...wall paper and only doing one punch, then are saved by the big 4...that's garbage.

Yost and Fine are using a stoyline, so in some cases different characters would not appear... and kids really don't care as long as the story is good. A:EMH is leaps and bounds better the U:Spiderman.

And the way Cage, Ironfist, Nova and WT were shown...it really makes me worry.

Oh I agree that he is wrong. Sorry if that wasn't conveyed clearly. But if you are thinking really really really short sighted, like most of Marvel seems to do (and well hell, DC too)... you can see how he saw these two episodes without his big 4 doing everything and maybe thought the two guys were wrong.

and Ultimate SM is incredibly "meh." The best part of the show was the spot light on Cage afterwards lol. I really don't see how you can take Cage's background and put in on that show. He doesn't fit. Can't wait to see him and IF on EMH.

DB, I want to like Loeb, I actually like the story behind the new Nova and I can respect it. But because of crap like this, lol...he really has a place in my dog house. A:EMH is great...and Marvel should use this model for there comics..maybe folks would start returning to comics??? and T'challa is nearly perfect on this show...this is how they need to use him.

EMH should have never ever ever ever been messed with. Ever.

Loeb is overthinking this. Look at what DC did with Justice League Unlimited. Various characters had a chance to shine throughout the series and in the end it was the Flash who saved the day.

Yes he is. I agree. I was just trying to see this through his very, short sighted mind.


Panther is so perfect in this show. Everything that he says MEANS something. Can't wait for the Skrull invasion story line to completely flesh itself out. I wish we could get some more of his Rogues in this show but they just don't quite stack up to people like Ultron, Kang, Loki, Zemo, AIM, Hydra, ect

[marvell2100]

I Loeb being placed in charge of television shows has taught me anything it's that Avengers is going to get progressively worse and then cancelled.

Ijust hope that we don't get an Ultimatum story arc. Loeb is such a hit and miss guy that it's incredible. They show is getting good reviews but he wants to step in and change things so that the big four canget more focus than they already have.

[rasx]

BP will be in Fan4#606 sitting on his throne(based on the cover) and then in Defenders#7. I think that the Defenders is a good team for BP to join, he and Doc Strange would do wonders. So what do you guys think?

[dbcb314]

BP will be in Fan4#606 sitting on his throne(based on the cover) and then in Defenders#7. I think that the Defenders is a good team for BP to join, he and Doc Strange would do wonders. So what do you guys think?

Have you read the recent Defender issues? They are incredibly average.

Avengers is a much bigger audience. I would much rather he end up there. Or with Remender in Secret Avengers. Mostly because Remender is awesome.


I have a lot of hope for T'challa's F4 appearance just because of Hickman's interview. I hope he fixes this "Shuri is the Black Panther" crap once and for all.

[Umbra]

That's the thing though. How do they intend to use him in this event? I think he's better served working with the X-Club to come up with a solution or at least a way to contain hope and the PF. This gives him a strong tie to the X-Books and maybe smooth things over with his wife. But if they just plan to have him as another body to throw at the Extinction Team like so much cannon fodder, then they aren't using him correctly imo. Even if he is involved in the fighting will they show his intellect as well as his fighting prowess? A powerless Storm managed to take down Cyclops. Just imagine what a well prepared Black Panther should be capable of. He shouldn't single-handedly take down the entire Extinction Team but he is the one they should probably fear the most. He has the tech and the know how to take down alot of super powered people and he isn't afraid to do so.

I guess that's my whole concern over this. Steve is a strategist and tactician. Scott is a strategist and tactician. T'Challa is a genius, a strategist and tactician. I just don't want them to ignore this fact.

We don't know. What we know is that Jason Aaron wanted to use him. But he is not in control of the entire story. I mean, we have guys like C.B. Cebulski [Senior Vice President, Creator & Content Development of Marvel Entertainment] who is on record as not liking him [Black Panther] It's clear there are others.

It's still better to have him out front and center. It's likely that he will be written in Jason Aaron's issues [like AvX#2]...and he will be the one handling him. Brevoort even mentioned him with Ironman and Pym as the Avengers geniuses. That doesn't mean much, Brevoort's word...but Black Panther is not going to be with the X-club. We know why, and we know that the X-office isn't going to use him and has not really used him...so that's out. Plus the X-club is crap, nothing they do in this event will matter anyway...

1. It looks like he is a part of the Avengers, post AvX and Bendis. That much is pretty much confirmed, though it could change.
2. This event has a lot of issues and things have not been announced. He could possibly be in the V.S title fighting.
3. It's clear they are using Loeb-ism aka "the Big 4" and Icons [unless we want to brag about diversity] are what matters. So those things may or may not come to light. But if Aaron is writing him, then maybe they will. Still, this event is about Cap vs. Cyke.

These are all valid points you are bringing up...I'm just trying to rationalize the fact that he is there because Aaron wanted him there. But Storm is in for a world of hurt, because Bendis is rumored to take over the X-verse. So her anti-Panther fans better hope she switches sides. smh...because if Bendis is writing the x-men...trust she will be wall paper and just there. I'm personally not thinking about the marriage though.

[Umbra]

I Loeb being placed in charge of television shows has taught me anything it's that Avengers is going to get progressively worse and then cancelled.

Agreed. Loeb is clueless and if the Panther getting shown correctly is wrong...then well, that is part of the problem with Marvel. They are going to keep dishing out the same crap and wonder why fans are flocking away.