Black Panther Appreciation VII: "Return of the King"

[Umbra]

Ah, thought so. And no, I'm not a fan of Bendis, though I am baffled about how he's treated T'Challa.

IMO, Bendis is willing to exploit the popularity of any property to prop up his Avengers. Yet by the grace of God, he's refused to do so with T'Challa, though Bendis has used him several times.

Also, I think T'Challa oughta be on a book like Secret Avengers, working as an intelligence chief. Leader gigs don't mean as much as they used to, and IMO he'd shine better there.

Agreed 100%...he should be that for all the Avengers teams...SA is so perfect for him. Smh...but now it's not the same type of book...but I agree.

[Wellman]

Agreed 100%...he should be that for all the Avengers teams...SA is so perfect for him. Smh...but now it's not the same type of book...but I agree.

At first I was going to say it wouldn't work but given some thought and if they changed the team toward add more international characters in general it would work. The problem with T'Challa leading the team is that I personally, don't think Rogers or his US government superiors would appreciate T'Challa's loyalties to Wakanda or the fact that he previously joined the team to spy on them in the past.

[Umbra]

At first I was going to say it wouldn't work but given some thought and if they changed the team toward add more international characters in general it would work. The problem with T'Challa leading the team is that I personally, don't think Rogers or his US government superiors would appreciate T'Challa's loyalties to Wakanda or the fact that he previously joined the team to spy on them in the past.

Yes. But Secret Avengers, should have been secret. So then it would not matter...but that's a good point. It's just that book might not sale. He doesn't have to lead..I rather he was the intel/tactics guy...but he would have his own Black ops team..that Cap and others didn't/don't know about..oh the drama.lol

[SilverZeal]

I was thinking more like avoiding deadly defense systems that would decapitate lesser beings. Be they fully human or of the super variety. Dodging laser beam detection is too "been there done that" at this point. They need to get creative. T'Challa's first appearance needs to be a jaw-dropper.

Hmmm u r right....den in dat case d best way 2 intro BP wud b 2 do it d same way Yost intro'd BP in A:EMH toon, but without d 'burglary-like' entrance mo like just came out of d shadows entrance(leaving a huge mystery of hw BP got in2 d Avengers mansion in d 1st place).

[SilverZeal]

So I'm thinking about getting some bronze age panther books down the road. Can any recommend any good ones?

Black Panther: Panther's Prey- 4 issue mini
http://www.comicvine.com/black-panth...prey/49-28441/

Black Panther- 4 issue limited series(1988)
http://www.comicvine.com/black-panth...nther/49-4045/

Both d abv mini's were written by DON MCGREGOR....kp us updated if u do get dem.

We also recommend...

Captain America & Black Panther: Flags of our fathers 2010- 4 issue mini by Hudlin

[SilverZeal]

And Hickman is leaving the book. T'challa needs to be key on the Avengers, period. Though I agree with Brandon premise, you are right not under Reed. Plus, I think N'lix is a candidate to join also, the second smartest man in Wakanda...though Shuri needs to have something...she could train the kids.

I think it's time for T'challa to lead.

Agreed...& its waaaaay past overdue.

[Umbra]

Hmmm u r right....den in dat case d best way 2 intro BP wud b 2 do it d same way Yost intro'd BP in A:EMH toon, but without d 'burglary-like' entrance mo like just came out of d shadows entrance(leaving a huge mystery of hw BP got in2 d Avengers mansion in d 1st place).

Yost adapted Avengers #52 and added Priest twist of spying..he still broke into the mansion and hacked Jarvis...he broke in...he didnt just walk in out if the shadows..he broke in and spied on them...studied Starks whole network...like he said " inside and out". That's what should happen..show the Audience that.

I'm just saying that what he needs to do in the movies...show up in Ironman 3 doing the same thing at the end/middle of the credits. He had to bypass all of the security. Spy on Hulk, Thor and Cap...and maybe ant man...None of them would find out until avengers 2. Get the build up..then the movie after A2 would take place in Wakanda.

[Moose100]

Im feeling the love for BP on SA. Also I think if anyone could get the WOlverine treatment it should be him. He's so multifaceted that you can put him in a variety of contexts and it would be true to the character.

[SilverZeal]

I know this, but having the two of them together is overkill.

Not if written right.

They even almost LOOK ALIKE.

Almost still doesnt cut it, ese.

A level 2 demon and a level 3 demon. Just invert the green and red.

Uhm...not really Nightmare luks like a clown with a serious warddrobe malfunction while Memfisto has a 'mane' & where no clothes(or anythng cloth-like)

That being said I don't doubt T'Challa. I doubt writers and the skills needed for ensembles.

Hmmm...as BP fans we both hv been burnd b4 by Marvel & their editors but we think Hickman can pull it off given his articulate specialisation in big & grand plots.

Mephisto together with lesser beings like Achebe and Calypso is deadly enough.

D bigger d plot d betta esp if or when its a single story but multi-plot "multi-pronged" in execution...d heavier d pressure put on d xcter d mo creativity & awesomeness d xcter has d opportunity 2 illustrate. We kinda got idea from DD vs 5 Omega crime organisations all in a single story & yet dat wasnt overkill since DD reads like a satire organised crime buk heavily indulged with superheroix.

They find a way to work around Bast and get T'Challa's soul. As far as Nightmare is concerned, the Panther Pavilion is a good goal.

Glad u agree here bcuz it also provides an opportunity 2 explore d PG realm mo....as Asgardhas been devlpd.

But honestly I just don't like him as a BP enemy. T'Challa made him cry easily enough in the past.

It tuk d aid & team-up of MK & Dr.V 4 BP/Tchalla 2 b able 2 b able 2 trounce Nightmare & BP/Tchalla had 2 go thru a myriad of ruses b4 he was able 4 figure-out Nightmare den turn d tables.....now compare dat 2 when BP went up against Memfisto SOLO.

Their are so many AFRICAN spirits and demons to explore. Let BP delve further into African myth and he will expose the ENTIRE 616 to NEW adversaries that he FIRST fought.

Very true. Agreed & co-signd.

BP needs fresh ideas.

True...but nt all frsh ideas r gd 1's.LOL!

Just luk @ d premise 4 BP:MWF.

Besides, he and Storm need a break to grow on their own strengths.

D fact dat dey hv MOSTLY been written separately mo dan 2gether is all d break dey nd....in our opinion dey nd 2 b developd 2gether betta & 4ther.

We believe in their combined strengths.

The handling of the marriage proves too many cooks spoil the broth.

Der hvnt been dat many "cooks" 2 begin with, ese.

You are describing a big event centered on BP.

BP AND Storm....& yes its a "big event" & its abt time dat 2 icon non-caucasian xcters bcum d focal point of a Marvel-wide event den hv other titles tie-in 4 a change.

I want his own growth taking place first.

Hmmm...agreed but dat wud nd alot of well written, xcter driven & well illustrated exposure, just as much as Hawkeye is getting now.

All of your ideas are great,

Thanx!

they are just too much for one story arc. Apocalypse, Achebe, Calypso, Nightmare, Cannibal and the Sphinxes in a SINGLE story?

A single multi-plot story arc dat can bleed in2 d next arc, yes.

I love the idea of Ororo and T'Challa's kids,

McDuffie's(RIP) idea...& can b used as d reason so many grand powerful beings wud cum after both Storm & BP.

but we need to build up slowly.

Agreed!

Lets see if they get back together after a divorce.

Nope....not supporting any divorce.

Marriages & relationships always hv their ups & downs...d magic is hw dey overcum dem 2GETHER. Just bcuz a couple is married doesnt mean dey cant go out on dates with each other 2 kp d 'spark' fresh.

Well, dats just d way we undertstand relationships unless it is outright abuse...Hank & Janet.

If they stay together the issues that made them want to fight in the first place need exploring.

Agreed!

Nuance and pacing is everything!!

True...co-signd!

Bashenga and Oshtur is a WHOLE other story.

It can b a developing sub-plot dat occurs slowly but progressively across several arcs....dis 1 cant & shudnt b rushd.

The bloodline hunting is too Summer's clan for my taste.

Summers aint royalty & definitely aint affiliated 2 any mighty gods...want Summer's thing relating mo 2 their destiny(nt sure) or r u referring 2 Hope?

Let's cross that bridge when we know Storm and BP can be well written as a couple.

Again true...lets c wat Hickman(our l8st contender) can do.

[SilverZeal]

Yost adapted Avengers #52 and added Priest twist of spying..he still broke into the mansion and hacked Jarvis...he broke in...he didnt just walk in out if the shadows..he broke in and spied on them...studied Starks whole network...like he said " inside and out". That's what should happen..show the Audience that.

I'm just saying that what he needs to do in the movies...show up in Ironman 3 doing the same thing at the end/middle of the credits. He had to bypass all of the security. Spy on Hulk, Thor and Cap...and maybe ant man...None of them would find out until avengers 2. Get the build up..then the movie after A2 would take place in Wakanda.

We agree with ll u hv said as 2 hw BP shud b intro'd but ''walking out of d shadows'' is alot kooler dan d burglar tekniks dat has been done soooooooooo many times in countless movies......of course den BP proceeding 2 doing all d other stuff u mentiond. Hek, even Jarvis cudnt detect BP' presence in d Avengers mansion in A:EMH.

[Vic Vega]

So I finally saw last Sunday's Avengers: EMH.

From the why the show is going, does anybody else think that we might get an adaptation/callback of "See Wakanda and Die"?

MINUS the decaptations and stabbings and such.

It's still a kid's show y'know.

[SilverZeal]

I think this would make for interesting storylines. What happens when other nations want to claim the vibranium for themselves as well? If the planet is uninhabited, do the Wakandans have sole rights to the mineral? To me, I think this could provide for some good character depth for BP and his mythos if handled well.

As much as it may b a gd storyline...its simply just another opportunity 2 screw BP & Wakanda ova....if writers cudnt respect BP/Tchalla's actions in Dmwar(mking ALL GLOBAL vibranium inert) do u still think justice will b md 2 BP with such a story?

Umbra:

I don't support it for the reason Maj stated. Right now, if they get it back..that would be Wakanda's perk..as Lee and Kirby intended. Otherwise, you will have writers thinking it's cool to give it to Doom. I rather have the aliens come after the Mount.

Same here. agreed!

[SilverZeal]

This is Why I'm totally against a international team.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=38668

IMHO, it's best to use the same format as Luke Cage had, on a flagship book and team.

JLI was clearly not cancelled bcuz of sales...it was doing alot betta dan sum other nu 52 titles dat r still ongoing.

In dat very article u postd says " but the publisher did not comment on the circumstances of the title's end."...rumormill vines has it dat it may b bcuz of Johns Trinity event.

[SilverZeal]

Eh, that title sucked because Booster got all the character focus and they destroyed their entire premise like, five issues in. WTF?

Very true....dey got rid of Vixen, Fire & Ice who were all 1,000 x betta dan Godiva(whose only superpower is manipulation of her own her. LOL! wtf!)

D addition of OMAC wasnt really as smooth as we wanted it 2 b but nice 2 hv him on d team & a welkomd addition of FireHawk(4 sum semi-regular crosover with Firestorm) & Batwing(though admittedly we r seriously nonfans of dis Batman _ _ _ _sucker).

We also liked d villains...after #5.

[Kieran_Frost]

Well I for one, have missed seeing your posts.
Welcome back. ;)

Awww, thanks. As soon as we get some Panther news and (fingers crossed) some good showings in Fantastic Four, I'm sure I'll have more to contribute than just going "Achebe, Nightshade, YEY!!!"

I don't get it either, but a part of me likes the idea that someone with even the tiniest bit of knowledge on Africa is writing the script. Honestly, I would like someone who walks a fine line between the sci-fi/mystical aspects and the relevant African historical/anthropological aspects. Because if it's too sci-fi it would look generic, and if it's too hardcore African (Yes, I of all people am saying it) it would be hard for western audiences to handle. They have to get the fundamentals in place while letting people know this is a super hero and a king who loves his nation. BP's concept is so high end I imagine many a brain hemorrhage on the part of creative talent will take place bringing him to life on the big screen.

Agreed. I would love to see outside Wakanda too, showing that not everyone in Marvel's Africa lives out a straw hut... BUT... I would also want them to tackle issues; like a lot of Africas attitude to homosexuality. Does Wakanda have gay marriage, for example?

Achebe's affiliation with Mephisto just represents Marvel's failings to use even the most OBVIOUS links between Wakanda and the 616 at large.

Which is why Achebe should team up with Mephisto to get revenge on Kid Loki!!! It would be perfect!

Achebe and Calypso need to get in a story together. She is the Marvel Universe's premier user of the Voodoo religion (because it is a benevolent peaceful religion started in Nigeria that like all other religions has been corrupted by fanatics) for sorcery. Connecting her with Africa makes TOO MUCH SENSE TO IGNORE. Especially with Kraven recently having crossed T'Challa's path. She is semi-high profile in the Spider-man universe, she could become the villainess to rock T'Challa's world. We know she uses demons and the souls of the dead to resurrect herself and animate corpses. Is it a stretch to think Mephisto has talked to her before? What would disturb T'Challa more than someone who would have the audacity to use T'Chaka's spirit against him? She and Achebe combined would put Wakanda through an ordeal that would change it forever. Not to mention have a wonderfully disturbing storyline.

It's a shame Doctor Voodoo: Avenger of the Supernatural isn't around... that would have been a great "deadly duo" for him to face.