Black Panther Appreciation VII: "Return of the King"

[SilverZeal]

Wow. Is Hickman actually saying that Marvel is responsible for Black Panther not being big? That it's because they haven't gotten the character right?

YES! & it goes beyond bcuz Marvel has continuously left BP/Tchalla outta loop of big events 4 a very long. Wat would it tk 4 an entiire compant wide event 2 originate & b centred around BP & hv other buks, titles & xcters tie-in?

BP is not just sum xcter but is an icon being d premier hero of african descent in comix history & with a plethora abundance of plots & stories across ALL GENRES...but still Marvel keeps shoving d xcter in a corner?

Only until very VEEEEERRRY recently dat BP/Tchalla started guest starring in mo buks otherwise BP/Tchalla has been a virtual ghost outside of his runs 4 quite a long time....& dis is supposedly a landmark xcter, an icon.

Luk @ Priest's run where BP/Tchalla had developd & noticed an array of fyzical, sykological & power weaknesses of all members of d Avengers as insurance if such a time came where d Avengers eva bcam enemies of Wakanda. Priest intended 2 progress d plot further but MARVEL EDITORIAL REFUSED den guess wat....DC saw d gr8 potential of such a plot so dey grabbed it plasterd it on Batman & ran like hell hence Batman's Tower of Babel story where Batman tuk down d JL based on Priest's plot 4 BP.

On top of dat any accomplishment of BP r COMPLETELY IGNORED....BP created d Quinjet now Marvel mks it seem 2 b Stark, BP created d Kimoyo card(d 1st eva concieved i-fone/1-pad in both in fiction & in reality but with far advanced supa multi--computing capabilities) den guess wat we c Stark using in d Avengers movie, huh?

BP/Tchalla destroyd ALL GLOBAL VIBRANIUM...YET STILL WRITERS IGNORE DAT WITH VIBRANIUM POPPING UP IN THEIR BUKS, just lu @ Remender's Venom 4 example.

Hek, even Stan Lee is on recording saying d his most anticipated xcter he wud luv 2 c get movie treatment is BP....but dats still not enuff 4 Marvel is it?

Thank gdness we've Hickman & Yost still @ Marvel.

[SilverZeal]

I'm about to do some of my African tactless plain talk. The rise of Luke Cage has been a bit of a double edged sword for me simply because I like him, and at the same time I realize that he lacks the power to change the perception of black male capability on the immense scale that T'Challa does. I KNOW the lack of challenge presented by the character makes him far easier to handle than T'Challa. A former thug cliche made good (and I must admit honorable) versus a genius African king who has the power to challenge ANY superpower on earth as well as match wits with it's greatest minds? I embrace Hickman IF he is willing to meet that challenge. If he is fearless (because you can't tell me he does not know the social implications) enough to speak up on T'Challa's baffling lack of omnipresence (because with his gifts he should be up in everyone's face like Stark, and Wolvie) in the 616, then maybe he is someone outside of an Afrocentric personality that can bring our king back from creative exile. Because it is a creative failure on Marvel's part not to utilize the artistic opulence of the Wakandan mythos.

A large portion of BP's fan base are black, male, and socially progressive. I am not counting out anyone else, because I know we want the same things for T'Challa. I am just voicing out the resentment of the group most likely to take his mistreatment personally. I root for Cage every chance I can get, but he started off a victim of injustice from a place of disadvantage. In spite of the personal tragedies of parental loss, T'Challa has been a head to the sky EXAMPLE from the beginning. When written properly and unfiltered he easily challenges the best. The general lack of credit (the quinjet injustice smarts like a nail in the foot) and respect he receives often makes me say plainly that it HAS to be racial. I don't want to think like that, but people like Hickman give me a glimmer of hope. If he gets BP duty and fails, I will be content in my personal convictions that their is some supreme editorial bias. And that there is a racial element to it. Not racist (before I get that supremacist tag), RACIAL. BP is meant to have a quality that makes people uncomfortable to an extent, that is a result of a character that faces you with truths whether you like it or not. That discomfort is only a tool used to draw you into the bigger picture which is the wonderfully high concept mythos of a comic character unlike any other. At the end of the day we are just fans who want a good story like every other geek.

I am willing to accept Hickman because frankly his FF does that. Everyone loves family. I just hope he is up to the challenge of handling a character that is deep, coldly pragmatic at times, and often alien in his approach to any given situation. And I am far more hopeful that he is ready to maintain the integrity of this character that intimidates so many. Maintaining those aspects while trusting that readers are intellectually capable of taking in and assimilating to new ideas while rationalizing the higher concepts already in place. We just don't want him dumbed down and are ready to root for WHOEVER understands that. Enemy of the State I & II pissed off a lot of people (the real type), while making it known that T'Challa was a force to reckoned with in the 616. We want an evolution of THAT particular iteration of BP. Work with a brother Mr. Hickman! Then maybe this particular brother will have a more inclusive view of just WHO should be writing T'Challa and his world that would be based solely on talent and merit (as it should be) rather than ethnic/racial familiarity (a conclusion I have reached based on frustration) and authenticity.

We've never been fans of Cage & probably never will...dat said, we do agree with d rest of ur post.

[Genki Sudo]

Anyone noticed how Liss's collected BP run has just like quietly been released? I mean I get more emails telling me which Avengers/X-Men/Spidey/Wolverine tpb is coming but for that I had to go and search for it

[E-Man]

I haven't been keeping up with AvX. Anything stupid happen with T'Challa yet? I've given up hope, no pun intended, that they'll do him proper justice.

[FriendRoss]

batman copy cat alert!!!!


on earth 2.... batman carries (carried) billy clubs like panther was last seen carrying.. complete with thigh strap

[RolandJP]

batman copy cat alert!!!!


on earth 2.... batman carries (carried) billy clubs like panther was last seen carrying.. complete with thigh strap

straight LOL.

THo come to think of it..that would be a cool Panther villain.

COPYCAT

Hmm or a MARVEL 666 Alternate Universe Black Panther. I know Marvel doesnt like treading where others have...but a 666 Universe of EVIL heroes..and GOOD badguys would kick oh so much ass.

[FriendRoss]

copycat…. i like it


hey! i think we just found shuri's new call sign

[RolandJP]

copycat…. i like it


hey! i think we just found shuri's new call sign

Anyone who has had to deal with a younger sister knows its the perfect call sign.

Maybe start it off as a joke by the Wakandan Citizens..then have her take the name as a badge of honor..in a "ILL SHOW YOU" kind of way.

[Umbra]

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayli...own_solo_films

So what could be announced this summer? Take your pick. Feige was non-committal, but did mention -- as we all know -- possibilities like "Doctor Strange," "Black Panther" and Edgar Wright's long-gestating take on "Ant-Man" which the exec called, "an outside-the-box, surprising-type story for us to do." While Feige did not mention by name "Power Man," "Iron Fist" or the "Power Pack" -- does that mean they're not ready development-wise? We'll leave that speculation to you -- but he did say "Black Panther," was something "they were playing with recently." Screenwriter Mark Bailey was hired to pen that script earlier this year.

Interesting. I don't think BP will be the 2014 unannounced film at the SD comic con in July..but it's good to hear them playing with the script. Get him in Avengers 2!

[Onyenkwere]

Anyone who has had to deal with a younger sister knows its the perfect call sign.

Maybe start it off as a joke by the Wakandan Citizens..then have her take the name as a badge of honor..in a "ILL SHOW YOU" kind of way.

Terrible idea.

Shuri is just as viable a character as any other and there's no reason why she can't just go under her own name instead of taking on some silly codename.

[RolandJP]

Terrible idea.

Shuri is just as viable a character as any other and there's no reason why she can't just go under her own name instead of taking on some silly codename.

But its tradition. I mean imagine Captain America going into battle as just plain ole "steve"
Or if Iron Man was known as "TOny"

[Onyenkwere]

Anyone noticed how Liss's collected BP run has just like quietly been released? I mean I get more emails telling me which Avengers/X-Men/Spidey/Wolverine tpb is coming but for that I had to go and search for it

Priest's whole run on BP is yet to be collected in its entirety, Liss's excellent run is collected and released under the radar (as if Marvel are ashamed to acknowledge Liss's bravura performance on the title.)

But get this, Jonathan Maberry's collected Doomwar TPB gets pushed and lauded as if it was the best thing since sliced bread.

Way to go Marvel.

[afropolo]

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayli...own_solo_films



Interesting. I don't think BP will be the 2014 unannounced film at the SD comic con in July..but it's good to hear them playing with the script. Get him in Avengers 2!

I am leaning towards something X-related these days. After the X-men's 5Oth next year they are going to want to get the "proper" (the original 5 first, then Ororo, Piotr, Kurt, and the rest in a sequel) X-verse back on track. The Avenge-verse is on fire and needs no PR push. I am warming to the Antman idea simply because the Avengers HAVE to fight Ultron together and Pym is the place where the story begins. They also have to get the Phoenix force on screen and only the X-men can handle that story. Marvel is going to have to put some version of AvX on screen sooner or later to obliterate the record they just set. The technology finally matches the storytelling prowess.

I am still pretty certain that BP will get his time on screen, but he will be AFTER Strange. Once I hear about the Sorcerer Supreme I am almost certain the King of Wakanda can't be far behind. Feige is pretty careful and honestly quite vague, but I am almost certain that every name he mentioned is getting a movie. I think he may just have mentioned the 3 new additions to the Avengers 2. T'Challa, Strange, and Pym make sense considering their powers are so visually different yet compelling. Marvel has creative capital to spare

[afropolo]

Priest's whole run on BP is yet to be collected in its entirety, Liss's excellent run is collected and released under the radar (as if Marvel are ashamed to acknowledge Liss's bravura performance on the title.)

But get this, Jonathan Maberry's collected Doomwar TPB gets pushed and lauded as if it was the best thing since sliced bread.

Way to go Marvel.

Yes my Nigerian brother, (Igbo right? a Liberian Bassa here) Marvel DOES seem to like tip-toeing around their inconsistent handling of T'Challa. I am not as well versed as you guys on Marvel's internal politics, I just know who I like and who I don't. Mr.Liss tried his best under the ugly circumstances ( having an African king on the streets of America, as if they were trying to gentrify him for acceptability by removing Africa) that he was given. The man is obviously a writer who puts the story first, the result of literary gifts many comic book scribes lack. He gets my respect if not the reverence I give Chris Priest. Priest found our kings voice in a way others have failed to.

Maberry sold T'Challa out. I don't care why he did it, all I know is that he did. I don't care to analyze his motives because the public disgrace of The Black Panther and Storm is what remains in print. His intentions can never excuse the abuse of the characters.

[Umbra]

I am leaning towards something X-related these days. After the X-men's 5Oth next year they are going to want to get the "proper" (the original 5 first, then Ororo, Piotr, Kurt, and the rest in a sequel) X-verse back on track. The Avenge-verse is on fire and needs no PR push. I am warming to the Antman idea simply because the Avengers HAVE to fight Ultron together and Pym is the place where the story begins. They also have to get the Phoenix force on screen and only the X-men can handle that story. Marvel is going to have to put some version of AvX on screen sooner or later to obliterate the record they just set. The technology finally matches the storytelling prowess.

I am still pretty certain that BP will get his time on screen, but he will be AFTER Strange. Once I hear about the Sorcerer Supreme I am almost certain the King of Wakanda can't be far behind. Feige is pretty careful and honestly quite vague, but I am almost certain that every name he mentioned is getting a movie. I think he may just have mentioned the 3 new additions to the Avengers 2. T'Challa, Strange, and Pym make sense considering their powers are so visually different yet compelling. Marvel has creative capital to spare

Disney/Marvel does not own the rights to the X-men for motion pictures. Fox does, so Kevin Fiege is talking about Marvel Studio movies...that does not included Daredevil, Fanatstic Four, X- Men, Spiderman and related properties. And this is probably a good thing because with those his movie would never get made...at least now there is a chance.

And I think Strange and Ant-man will come before also...I see Jan, Pym, Ms.Marvel and T'challa joining Avengers 2...and that movie is going to be a pushed up a bit. After the new Ironman, Thor and Cap.