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[lboinyamouf4sho]

I don't think any ppv leading up to WM is going to be up in buys from the previous year, i think both will be down if Rock isn't at them, and i think the Cena Sucks shirts would definetly sell without this angle.

the shirts are the way to make money and i agree they sell with or w/o the angle, however i don't think they sell with cena as a heel. while you may think the kids are fukcin stupid they're smart enough that they'd rather spend their parents money on a shirt of a wrestler they actually like than on 1 they hate.

So, i don't agree they are making any money out of it, there is no money in Kane/Cena, of course thats opinion because no ppv has taken place yet, but i think it will bear me out.
Edit: um...and as previous mentioned, i definetly don't think it's a good angle.

as far as a place holder angle i think it's great, it should accomplish everything they xpect from it. as an angle on it's own merits it's ok.

[Alex]

the shirts are the way to make money and i agree they sell with or w/o the angle, however i don't think they sell with cena as a heel. while you may think the kids are fukcin stupid they're smart enough that they'd rather spend their parents money on a shirt of a wrestler they actually like than on 1 they hate.

The kids aren't the ones buying the Cena sucks shirts though.

And if a kid is going to buy a shirt he can buy a shirt from another kid friendly wrestler, all they need to do is bring Rey back, Sin Cara back, any guy with a mask back, or push Kofi and Evan.

[Alex]

as far as a place holder angle i think it's great, it should accomplish everything they xpect from it. as an angle on it's own merits it's ok.

I just don't see it, Cena has been giving this speech for months now, even before Kane came back, Kane is controlling fucking fire and silly shit like that, which i wish the business had moved past.
I think there is a story to be told here, i think the boos getting to Cena could be a legit story.
I think mixing in a monster with magical powers who wants to teach Cena why he should hate them back because he doesn't like his tshirt is stupid. I think the writing team is not talented enough to tell this story.

[Alex]

Also, and this isn't the storylines fault btw, i just think that Cena doesn't often not have the belt and not be in contention for the belt. That would be a great time to have him put somebody over, but now he's there with Kane, so the chance is wasted. This would be a great time because Cena losing doesn't lose him the belt.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

The kids aren't the ones buying the Cena sucks shirts though.

And if a kid is going to buy a shirt he can buy a shirt from another kid friendly wrestler, all they need to do is bring Rey back, Sin Cara back, any guy with a mask back, or push Kofi and Evan.

cena being a face doesn't stop the kids from still being able to buy rey/cara/kofi/bourne/new guy shirt though, they can still buy that stuff and the cena stuff. but if you make cena a heel you lose the money kids spend on cena stuff for sure w/o any guarantee that that money will be made up for by them buying the rey/cara/kofi/bourne/new guy stuff.

by keeping cena face they keep the kids buying his stuff and they keep the sales on the cena sucks stuff, i don't really think if cena goes heel there will be an increase in "cena sucks" merch.

I just don't see it, Cena has been giving this speech for months now, even before Kane came back, Kane is controlling fucking fire and silly shit like that, which i wish the business had moved past.
I think there is a story to be told here, i think the boos getting to Cena could be a legit story.
I think mixing in a monster with magical powers who wants to teach Cena why he should hate them back because he doesn't like his tshirt is stupid. I think the writing team is not talented enough to tell this story.

i already get that you don't like it, like a said it's a place holder program it doesn't need to be revolutionary or have any long lasting implications on cenas character.

Also, and this isn't the storylines fault btw, i just think that Cena doesn't often not have the belt and not be in contention for the belt. That would be a great time to have him put somebody over, but now he's there with Kane, so the chance is wasted. This would be a great time because Cena losing doesn't lose him the belt.

this is most definitely NOT the time for cena to put somebody over, i mean sure he can drop a match to kane but he has to win his program between now and mania otherwise he looks undeserving of his spot.

[Alex]

I sense you want to move on, so i will end our discussion of this issue by saying again, Kane/Cena=no buys.
Also, i wish they would let eric young wrestle.

[Dick/babs]

Can we talk about something else that is not boring John Cena

[Pól Rua]

Also, and this isn't the storylines fault btw, i just think that Cena doesn't often not have the belt and not be in contention for the belt. That would be a great time to have him put somebody over, but now he's there with Kane, so the chance is wasted. This would be a great time because Cena losing doesn't lose him the belt.

In response to Alex' question from AGES ago...

I can see a way to book the feud without the sappy speech. Have Cena give into hate. He'd have to do some work on his strikes and lose his fake-ass looking punches and tight up the NPSTF, but if, just before the blow-off, Kane finally pushes him too far, and he snaps and their match is a real slobberknocker.

Do the whole 'Kwai Chang Kaine' thing of the guy who smiles and smiles and hears the boos of the crowd and knows that all the smarks hate him but still does his job and even more besides and works his arse off and does all the appearances and stuff, and finally, Kane's niggle just gets to him.
It's hard to hold a smile when a crowd is chanting that you suck, and sometimes you just want to smash the crap out of something. "Well, guess what, Kane? You just nominated you."

"There ya go, I gave in to hate! You win! Are you happy now? Are you happy now?"

Keep him as a babyface, but have him be HUMAN, too. Have him able to get frustrated and angry. He's still a good-guy, but now you know he holds himself in check.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I sense you want to move on, so i will end our discussion of this issue by saying again, Kane/Cena=no buys.
Also, i wish they would let eric young wrestle.

again it's a placeholder program, it doesn't have to=buys especially if the match is going to take place at the rumble.

cena/kane=mission accomplished.

[Alex]

Keep him as a babyface, but have him be HUMAN, too. Have him able to get frustrated and angry. He's still a good-guy, but now you know he holds himself in check.

Making him human would make this angle worthwhile.

[Pól Rua]

Making him human would make this angle worthwhile.

It'd be logical. You know, you go out every night, do your best and get boos. You can't take it out on the punters because that's not cool, so you hold it in and smile and sign the autograph for the guy who just told you your last match sucked and you do your job.
Suddenly, you're in the ring with Kane and (a) he can take a pounding and (b) He WANTS you to get angry with him. What the fuck? He wants Anger... Give him anger.

Just not sure if Cena can be convincing enough in terms of (a) making his stuff look like he's really giving the guy an absolute hammering, and (b) his acting - facials, promos etc... He'd have to really put some work into those elements before making changes like that to his character.

And you don't have to turn him into Ken Shamrock in danger of 'snapping' or whatever, you just have him go, "Hey, I'm sorry, the guy pushed my buttons and hell, you pay me to kick ass. Don't complain when I kick someone's ass."

Cena stays a babyface, there's a real shitfight in the main event, and nobody makes a sappy speech. Win/win. IF they could pull it off.

[Alex]

It'd be logical. You know, you go out every night, do your best and get boos. You can't take it out on the punters because that's not cool, so you hold it in and smile and sign the autograph for the guy who just told you your last match sucked and you do your job.
Suddenly, you're in the ring with Kane and (a) he can take a pounding and (b) He WANTS you to get angry with him. What the fuck? He wants Anger... Give him anger.

Just not sure if Cena can be convincing enough in terms of (a) making his stuff look like he's really giving the guy an absolute hammering, and (b) his acting - facials, promos etc... He'd have to really put some work into those elements before making changes like that to his character.

And you don't have to turn him into Ken Shamrock in danger of 'snapping' or whatever, you just have him go, "Hey, I'm sorry, the guy pushed my buttons and hell, you pay me to kick ass. Don't complain when I kick someone's ass."

Cena stays a babyface, there's a real shitfight in the main event, and nobody makes a sappy speech. Win/win. IF they could pull it off.

Cena has done angry before, i don't recall him doing it in the ring, but he's done angry promos.

[JCAll]

I just don't see it, Cena has been giving this speech for months now, even before Kane came back, Kane is controlling fucking fire and silly shit like that, which i wish the business had moved past.
I think there is a story to be told here, i think the boos getting to Cena could be a legit story.
I think mixing in a monster with magical powers who wants to teach Cena why he should hate them back because he doesn't like his tshirt is stupid. I think the writing team is not talented enough to tell this story.

But that's the stuff I've been hoping they'd embrace again.

[Alan Lynch]

Cena has done angry before, i don't recall him doing it in the ring, but he's done angry promos.

Just to butt in here...It does feel like ages since Cena showed any sort of emotion. So if the Kane angle achieves that, and Cena can keep doing it going forward, then it's a job well done. I think my biggest problem with Cena right now is how he reacts to everything with the same mocking tone. It makes everyone challenging look beneath his concern and just kills any sense that he's in trouble. I doubt either Kane or the Rock are going to change his character long-term, but I can hope.

[Aubergine~!]

But that's the stuff I've been hoping they'd embrace again.

THIS.

100% this.

The WWE is best when it doesn't take itself too seriously.