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[Alex]

Cena giving a cheesy speech is because that's what Cena does. He nearly always goes into preacher mode. Even in fantasy booking land, you have to acknowledge what a guy is capable of/likely to do.

On the other hand, on the few occasions that Cena drops the preacher crap and the poop jokes, he's compelling (like the recent Piper's Pit). It seems exceedingly difficult to get him to do that, though.

And this is going to end with Cena being the same and telling bad jokes the crowd doesn't laugh at.
Characters change in wrestling when they become stale, John Cena has been stale for a long time.

[Ronin1108]

Interesting that a few of them can use their WWE name.

I think in MVP's case, he actually owns the name (or 50% like the rock does) same as the others. Or in melina and shelton's case, it's their real names.

[XPac]

Thats great if they want their dwindiling fanbase to hate him more and more.

I think it's actually possible that a certain percentage of the fan base will boo him LESS because it's basically an angle now.

Not everyone that boo's Cena necessarily want to promote hate along with Kane.

And on the flip side, if SOME want to hate on Cena they might as well earn a few bucks off it too.

That's where it's a win-win for the WWE. They're managing the Cena hate to the point where it's now a controllable angle, and earning a few bucks in the process.

[Mat001]

The bottom line is if people really don't like Cena, face or heel ain't going to matter. They're going to boo him because if he's a heel, he's move set won't improve. And if he's a heel, it's going to be right back to Cena circa 2003 and that won't last long. It won't be boos because he's a heel, but because "Cena Sucks!" and that he can't wrestle.

[Alex]

I think it's actually possible that a certain percentage of the fan base will boo him LESS because it's basically an angle now.

Not everyone that boo's Cena necessarily want to promote hate along with Kane.

And on the flip side, if SOME want to hate on Cena they might as well earn a few bucks off it too.

That's where it's a win-win for the WWE. They're managing the Cena hate to the point where it's now a controllable angle, and earning a few bucks in the process.

Thats where i disagree, because this angle means shit, it's placeholding.
The people who hate Cena aren't going to like Cena because he doesn't "give in to hate" and then keeps doing bad jokes. He's still going to be the same John Cena he's been for 5 years and that's the problem.

The only way this ends with a certain percentage of the fanbase booing less is less smarks boing him because they won't go to the shows to see a Kane/Cena match, so they aren't there to boo.

[master of read]

I remember reading Warriors website when he was hocking his personal workout plan....it came with a personal motivational recording from Warrior

he won't let you let yourself down

i'm still sour on jim after those comments he made about heath ledger.

[Alex]

The bottom line is if people really don't like Cena, face or heel ain't going to matter. They're going to boo him because if he's a heel, he's move set won't improve. And if he's a heel, it's going to be right back to Cena circa 2003 and that won't last long. It won't be boos because he's a heel, but because "Cena Sucks!" and that he can't wrestle.

But it doesn't stand out then, thats my point.
First off, the only reason Cena is hated so much isn't how he wrestles, that's apart of it to apart of the fanbase. It's his character that people boo, it's the bad jokes, the cheesy speeches.
And, again, you have a face who gets booed by half the audience minimum, and more than half on most ppvs. Heels often don't get booed because the crowd chooses to duel LEt's Go Cena/Cena Sucks, Cena gets booed more than the heel, that's not good for business either.

If the people cheering for Cena are really kids and women like it sounds, then making him go bad at least removes the kids cheering and then it sounds like he's getting a heel reaction.

And the reason i know this can happen is because i've seen crowds change on people in wrestling before. If they can boo and cheer Rock and boo and cheer Hogan and boo and cheer Punk (who, if you will recall, was often cheered when he was a heel, it didn't stop the kids from loving him on Raw) they can change on Cena.

[Alex]

I think in MVP's case, he actually owns the name (or 50% like the rock does) same as the others. Or in melina and shelton's case, it's their real names.

Thats why Silent Rage is Kevin Hackman, even though they still refer to him as the tough enough winner.
Even though the guy sucks and will never get moved up, they changed his name in the offchance he will they own it.
Smart move really.

[Vibranium]

i'm still sour on jim after those comments he made about heath ledger.

took you that long? I was done with him when he called Davey Boy Smith a crackhead 48 hrs after his death....true or not, at least let them bury the body before you decide to bury the man

[Alex]

took you that long? I was done with him when he called Davey Boy Smith a crackhead 48 hrs after his death....true or not, at least let them bury the body before you decide to bury the man

Pfft, pansy.
queering don't make the world work.

[XPac]

Thats where i disagree, because this angle means shit, it's placeholding.
The people who hate Cena aren't going to like Cena because he doesn't "give in to hate" and then keeps doing bad jokes. He's still going to be the same John Cena he's been for 5 years and that's the problem.

The only way this ends with a certain percentage of the fanbase booing less is less smarks boing him because they won't go to the shows to see a Kane/Cena match, so they aren't there to boo.

I don't think people will like Cena anymore either... but if the people who dislike him are buying Cena sucks gear then it won't matter if they don't like him. The Cena hate is now a part of the storyline, so it's a non-issue. Hate him or cheer him, it works either way.

It's ultimately just capitalizing on an aspect of the character that's somewhat unique to him. Fans hate on the guy... but they're still reacting very strongly to him, so it's not a hate that necessariy translates into a lack of interest.

When fans are quietly sitting on their hands while Cena is out there, then WWE has something to worry about. Right now, Cena still generates a strong reaction (stronger than anyone else heel or face), and still is a top by all standards WWE measures a superstar with.

[Alex]

I don't think people will like Cena anymore either... but if the people who dislike him are buying Cena sucks gear then it won't matter if they don't like him. The Cena hate is now a part of the storyline, so it's a non-issue. Hate him or cheer him, it works either way.

It's ultimately just capitalizing on an aspect of the character that's somewhat unique to him. Fans hate on the guy... but they're still reacting very strongly to him, so it's not a hate that necessariy translates into a lack of interest.

When fans are quietly sitting on their hands while Cena is out there, then WWE has something to worry about. Right now, Cena still generates a strong reaction (stronger than anyone else heel or face), and still is a top by all standards WWE measures a superstar with.

They can buy Cena sucks gear if he's a heel.
He at this point should be a heel, imo, that tshirt is a test for it. Faces don't get booed as much as John Cena without turning.

And your lack of interest is year by year lowering ratings, lowering ppv buys, lowering merch sales. They need to do something new with him, because keeping him the same isn't helping.

[Alex]

"--Chris Hero will be working the 1/20 ROH show in Philadelphia. Hero is taking dates only a few weeks into the future awaiting if everything will be clear for him to sign with WWE."

[Vibranium]

They can buy Cena sucks gear if he's a heel.
He at this point should be a heel, imo, that tshirt is a test for it. Faces don't get booed as much as John Cena without turning.

And your lack of interest is year by year lowering ratings, lowering ppv buys, lowering merch sales. They need to do something new with him, because keeping him the same isn't helping.

what do you all consider a "good" rating? I know many people still use the MNW as a benchmark, so I was just curious as to what folks today considered a good rating

[Alex]

what do you all consider a "good" rating? I know many people still use the MNW as a benchmark, so I was just curious as to what folks today considered a good rating

Anything that goes above a 3.2, the rating has been sticking at a 3.1 and under for like 5 months.
And during Cenas time it has dropped lower and lower and lower, and it never goes up. Literaly every metric has dropped under him, not just ratings, but the problem isn't just Cena, it's the way they are using Cena.
Edit: a 4, for example, would be goddamn amazing.

Vince has a quote on one of the dvds, probably the wrestlemania one, where he wants to do something but his yes men say "Well,maybe we shouldn't because we could lose money" and Vince says "We can never grow unless we try new things."
He's lost that in his main product, he will blow millions on a network and say it's launching before it will be ready, but he won't even try to alter the character of his number 1 guy after half a decade.