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[Kerny]

I dug the film too, and thought it was quite superior to the original film.

I actually quite liked the Fincher/book ending, and the way it plays out in the film is a gloriously depressing eff you to happy endings, and is a sweet little gut punch. "Feel bad film of the holidays" indeed.

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I don't think the ending undermines Lisbeth as a character at all -- there's always an exception to a rule (that being her isolation, lack of love/etc.), and I don't find it far fetched that she grew close to Mikael. He was probably the only person she she both admired, got to know, and was intimate with/grew close with, and he treated her with respect and admiration (for her abilities), and never hurt her (physically...or emotionally until the end, which he did unwittingly)...plus there's the whole "survived a near death experience/traumatic ordeal together" aspect, as well as her inherent emotional issues.

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I would too, but major apples and oranges thing there.

That makes sense, but to me the whole point of her is how she's not a victim or someone you shouldnt feel sorry for and then they give you the audience the "Daww" heartbreak scene

[Iron Maiden]

Tony should easily be able to shield both from being affected.

Please don't tell me I need spoilers for Vengeance #1 but judging by what happened there

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the new character called the Ultimate Nullifier was sleeping with Stacy X when Magneto busted in on them and got real prudish about her "neglecting her responsibilities." UN took him down in seconds with his UN gun or some such weapon. They he clobbered him in hand to hand

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Not a good showing at all for the Master of Magnetism..even Kristoff came off better in that mini.
Heck, Reed with a similar device punked Magneto back in FF #105
Iron Man should handle Magneto just as easily. Not to get all rumbles board but Magneto has always been one of those "wave the hands" kind of powers. IM and Doom slug it out like Ali / Frazier. Have we ever seen Magneto do that? Usually he goes down pretty quick when his powers are nullified.

[bebopeva88]

Please don't tell me I need spoilers for Vengeance #1 but judging by what happened there

You would if I had bought it, which I never would have done because...

spoilers:

the new character called the Ultimate Nullifier was sleeping with Stacy X when Magneto busted in on them and got real prudish about her "neglecting her responsibilities." UN took him down in seconds with his UN gun or some such weapon. They he clobbered him in hand to hand

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Not a good showing at all for the Master of Magnetism..even Kristoff came off better in that mini.

IT'S CASEY AND NOTHING HE DOES SHOULD EVER BE ACCEPTED!

Heck, Reed with a similar device punked Magneto back in FF #105
Iron Man should handle Magneto just as easily. Not to get all rumbles board but Magneto has always been one of those "wave the hands" kind of powers. IM and Doom slug it out like Ali / Frazier. Have we ever seen Magneto do that? Usually he goes down pretty quick when his powers are nullified.

I know he gets all squeamish and wussy whenever Wolverine slashes him and he sees some of his blood.

[Iron Maiden]

You would if I had bought it, which I never would have done because...



IT'S CASEY AND NOTHING HE DOES SHOULD EVER BE ACCEPTED!

LOL... what I couldn't understand was all the praise this mini has been getting. CBR's resident critics listed it on the year end round ups as one of the best of the year The last issue of the comic has a one page thank you note from editor Tom Brennan that has this eye rolling statement:

"Last year, Marvel editorial had a wonderful problem; we had come into the possession of the six pieces you see above spotlighting our most famous villains and wanted to use them as covers for a project"

Bullseye's appearance is just his corpse, Red Skull in flashback and Doom doesnt appear it all. At least Loki and Otto weren't humiliated like Magneto was though.

So the only reason for this mini to exist was to make use of Del Otto's work. I remember jlmoor and I were loving the covers but really, it's the best part of this series. I have to admit I will buy almost anything that promises an appearance by Kristoff though and his part in the story was teased in the first issue. But then he doesn't appear again until the end.

I know he gets all squeamish and wussy whenever Wolverine slashes him and he sees some of his blood.

Getting decapitated can do that too....or I guess that was Xorn.

[bebopeva88]

So the only reason for this mini to exit was to make use of Del Otto's work. I remember jlmoor and I were loving the covers but really, it's the best part of this series.

I loved the covers too, but I never would've bought the mini...there's a portfolio out there with prints of all 6 Dell'Otto pieces, BTW.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I wouldn't wanna draw the new suit either...pretty much Meinerding was the only one to make it look any good (which is kind of a no brainer since he designed it and all).

WTF is Meinerding?

IT'S CASEY AND NOTHING HE DOES SHOULD EVER BE ACCEPTED!

Whoa! Wildcats 3.0 is one of the best things to happen to comics!

[bebopeva88]

WTF is Meinerding?

Ryan Meinerding -- concept artist who worked on the IM, Thor and Cap films; he designed the latest IM suit for the comics.

Marvel occasionally uses some of his art for comic covers (particularly variants), and some of his work was seen in the SDCC Avengers film interlocking character promo posters.

Whoa! Wildcats 3.0 is one of the best things to happen to comics!

No. He is a pestilence in all of his guises.

[Deep_Sleeper]

Ryan Meinerding -- concept artist who worked on the IM, Thor and Cap films; he designed the latest IM suit for the comics.

Marvel have used some of his art for comic covers (particularly variants), and some of his work was seen in the SDCC Avengers film interlocking character promo posters.

I see. I thought the Iron Man movie armour was taking what Adi Granov did and made it for the real world! Hmm...

No. He is a pestilence in all of his guises.

I can't tell if you read it and hate it or if you refuse to try it out because there have been other Joe Casey things that you didn't like.

I personally haven't read too much of Joe Casey's stuff, but Joe Casey took what was pretty well done by Scott Lobdell (Yeah, I know some people may think I'm crazy) and made it really, really awesome.

[bebopeva88]

I can't tell if you read it and hate it or if you refuse to try it out because there have been other Joe Casey things that you didn't like.

I personally haven't read too much of Joe Casey's stuff, but Joe Casey took what was pretty well done by Scott Lobdell (Yeah, I know some people may think I'm crazy) and made it really, really awesome.

I like Scott Lobdell -- I grew up on his X-work, and his Generation X was awesome!

Casey's work, however, is an abomination.

[Iron Maiden]

I like Scott Lobdell -- I grew up on his X-work, and his Generation X was awesome!

...and he also gave us Santa Doom

Lobdell's brief FF run was very good but then I think he bolted to some Hollywood job. Then we got Claremont trying to shoehorn in X-stuff until he finally hit stride about 10 issues in.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I like Scott Lobdell -- I grew up on his X-work, and his Generation X was awesome!

Casey's work, however, is an abomination.

I liked Lobdell's X-work, as well.

Have you read Wildcats 3.0? Give it a shot. It's really good. How about a deal? You give the first trade of Wildcats 3.0 a shot and I'll pick up a book that I'm currently not reading that you think is awesome.

[bebopeva88]

Have you read Wildcats 3.0? Give it a shot. It's really good. How about a deal? You give the first trade of Wildcats 3.0 a shot and I'll pick up a book that I'm currently not reading that you think is awesome.

I've read the first year of it or so, and although it may be the least smelly turd in the large pile of poo that is Casey's career, it is still a smelly turd.

...and I think a big aspect of it being one of Casey's "better" works is due to Nguyen on art.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I've read the first year of it or so, and although it may be the least smelly turd in the large pile of poo that is Casey's career, it is still a smelly turd.

...and I think a big aspect of it being one of Casey's "better" works is due to Nguyen on art.

What did you not like about it?

[bebopeva88]

What did you not like about it?

I didn't like the entire premise of it. I think a lot of people like 3.0 because they previously weren't fans of (or weren't even particularly familiar with) the Wildcats, so the drastic change in direction worked for them, whereas to me it was jarring and unnecessary, and should have been done with wholly original characters instead of attempting to shoehorn previously existing characters into a new mold. They're a covert action team, not a fu$#ing "use Kheribum tech to better the world, corporation-fest" with Spartan using his "real" name, and a neutered Grifter. Also, needed more Voodoo and Savant.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I didn't like the entire premise of it. I think a lot of people like 3.0 because they previously weren't fans of (or were even particularly familiar with) the Wildcats, so the drastic change in direction worked for them, whereas to me it was jarring and unnecessary, and should have been done with wholly original characters instead of attempting to shoehorn previously existing characters into a new mold. They're a covert action team, not a fu$#ing "use Kheribum tech to better the world, corporation-fest" with Spartan using his "real" name, and a neutered Grifter. Also, needed more Voodoo and Savant.

Hmm...I guess. Personally, I read the initial Lee & Choi WildC.A.T.s, as well as the continuation from issue #5 onwards to (I can't remember exactly) maybe issue 16. That's when Travis Charest came in and I didn't like the art (I know!).

So, I don't know if I'd classify myself as a classic WildC.A.T.s fan or not. I came back to the Wildcats when Lobdell & Charest started, but quit because I didn't like the art once again when Bryan Hitch came in (I know!)

Having said that, I remember hearing how the Kherubim and Daemonite war was over and it was time for the aliens to move on with their lives. Wildcats 3.0 had a lot of promise and I have to admit I was severely dismayed when Dustin Nguyen stopped doing the art. I still thought it was refreshingly innovative and well structured. Corporate espionage will never be very exciting to me, so to add a metahuman twist to it really intrigued me.

But...different strokes and all, right? :)