Naruto Manga/Anime Discussion IV

[Nik Hasta]

The dragon in revalation is actually stated to be 'Satan'. And is linked with the following verses.

Yes, but none of the verses you quoted there say anything about the origin of demons. I looked them up in my bible.

You posted those quotes as if to provide some kind of reasoning behind the Catholic view that demons are fallen angels. I'm just pointing out that this is not the case.

Also, making statements such as is a big assumption considering I am just a novice on the topics.

It's not a big assumption and nor does your proficiency with the subject matter really factor into it.

I don't like to brag but I'm pretty up on my bible and I know that there's not anything in there that directly supports the angel theory because I've researched it.

I'm open to the idea that I may have missed something but, to my knowledge, there is no biblical backing for this idea.

That also reminds me to take into consideration the documents written by what many consider 'saints'.

Now, if the Catholics have their own dogma outside of the bible that supports it then that's their business and naturally I would not have read it.

[master of read]

sadly, i have no religion to really call my own. i started out as a baptist but i've seen too much of the dark side of Christianity that i cant call myself a christian because of it. dont get me wrong. i do believe in god and jesus was a prophet but my view is more open to the various ideals of other religions, mostly Buddhism, if you want to call it that.

[DattaBoy]

Hey a couple of tidbits

Do you think the Bakuygan can evolve into the Sharrigan or Rinnegan like the Sharigan can evolve into the Rinnegan??

If the Senju clans came to dominate the other ninja villages did the other dojutsu users get wiped out like the Uuchia because of fear of Rinnegan users

[Hazard]

Yes, I am Catholic.

*High fives*

Hey a couple of tidbits

Do you think the Bakuygan can evolve into the Sharrigan or Rinnegan like the Sharigan can evolve into the Rinnegan??

If the Senju clans came to dominate the other ninja villages did the other dojutsu users get wiped out like the Uuchia because of fear of Rinnegan users

I doubt the there was a fear people were going to evolve Rinnegans. The thing was considered a myth if known at all until some time ago in the Naruto World.

[Guy1]

Poor Byakugan. Left in the dust.
And Neji and Hinata are so cool too.

[flashdisk]

Yes, but none of the verses you quoted there say anything about the origin of demons. I looked them up in my bible.

You posted those quotes as if to provide some kind of reasoning behind the Catholic view that demons are fallen angels. I'm just pointing out that this is not the case.

Well, it's called sharing information. I think this would be a good oppurtunity to share information. Also, it may be that it's your interpretation of the words/statements that's different.

It's not a big assumption and nor does your proficiency with the subject matter really factor into it.

I don't like to brag but I'm pretty up on my bible and I know that there's not anything in there that directly supports the angel theory because I've researched it.

I'm open to the idea that I may have missed something but, to my knowledge, there is no biblical backing for this idea.

Well, that's still an assumption then?

After all you did say you're open to the idea you missed something.

But if you really want to discuss it. Then why not go directly to Catholic experts on the field. Also, there are different versions of the bible. And I am not sure, yours would be the same as what Catholics use.

Now, if the Catholics have their own dogma outside of the bible that supports it then that's their business and naturally I would not have read it.

Well, this has a tidbit of truth to it, imo. Thousands of saints throughout the Church's history may have had a profound influence. They've written their own books etc.

[Hazard]

Well, this has a tidbit of truth to it, imo. Thousands of saints throughout the Church's history may have had a profound influence. They've written their own books etc.

Popes too. They have and have had a huge influence on the teachings and beliefs of the Catholic Church for good and for bad in some cases unfortunately.

[Miburohunter929]

Hey a couple of tidbits

Do you think the Bakuygan can evolve into the Sharrigan or Rinnegan like the Sharigan can evolve into the Rinnegan??

If the Senju clans came to dominate the other ninja villages did the other dojutsu users get wiped out like the Uuchia because of fear of Rinnegan users

It'd be kinda sad if the Bakuygan evolved into the Sharingan, and it would likely deal a murderous blow to the pride of the Hyugga.

I mean, they think they're so fucking awesome, that they enslave one another, and also use seals to keep the others in line/make sure enemies don't get the bloodline.

Evolving a Sharingan into a Bakuygan would more or less be the ultimate estimate to them being inferior.

It'd be ever worse if the evolved the one or two tomoe sharingan--which is possible--and it'd pretty much say the crapiest form of Sharingan>>>>>>>Bakuygan.

I mean, I know the Sharingan was already moving in on its territory before Mangekyou, (Sasuke seeing invisible chakra bombs, etc) and it seems to be rendered...redundant, save for being able to see long distance, but still.

..I do hope we get some ellaboration on the connection, however. I might not like what I hear, but I'd still rather hear it.

I'm still kinda bummed the Rinnengan isn't quite as mythical as we were led to believe, but I suppose the whole 'Super Senju Sharingan" thing makes sense.

Also, I'd lol so hard if the Bakuygan is the level beyond rinnengan, but the Hyugga are so set in tradition, they never realized it's full potential, or something.

....I can dream, can't I?

[flashdisk]

Popes too. They have and have had a huge influence on the teachings and beliefs of the Catholic Church for good and for bad in some cases unfortunately.

Yes, I agree. There was a lot of good and dark times for the Church.

But I guess it can be considered as part of the Church's history. The Church has had an interesting history. Popes getting kidnapped by kings. Times when there was even more than one Pope. Popes ending up in conflict with the Cardinals. etc.

[Len Ikari145]

sadly, i have no religion to really call my own. i started out as a baptist but i've seen too much of the dark side of Christianity that i cant call myself a christian because of it. dont get me wrong. i do believe in god and jesus was a prophet but my view is more open to the various ideals of other religions, mostly Buddhism, if you want to call it that.

See, I'm in the same boat as you. While I identify myself as a Christian(and Catholic), I'm pretty open towards other religions (naturally excluding Scientology and Satanism).

[flashdisk]

See, I'm in the same boat as you. While I identify myself as a Christian(and Catholic),

Hmm.. There seems to be more of us Catholics here than I thought.

Poor Byakugan. Left in the dust.
And Neji and Hinata are so cool too.

After this Tobi fight, I'm hoping these two get some serious upgrades. Maybe they should turn Hinata into a vampire or something.

Same here. I wouldn't call Inuyasha a nature spirit or a faerie.(hell, even typing it makes it sound weird). I'm alot more comfortable calling youkai demons.

Why? I mean faeries are kind of cool. There are the trolls under the bridges, the Tolkien elves, the dwarves, sprites etc. If you watched the Spiderwick chronicles they're quite interesting. And they fit the much better than demons. They aren't all tinkerbell like creatures.

Please don't say that, you're making her sound useful. We all know she's still pretty much completely useless after the Rescue Kazekage arc, except for defeating cannon fodder enemies and requiring someone to rescue her from any named ninja...

Which is still above her pre-timeskip days. But really, that's not that hard.

And she doesn't even have a character arc, but a character circle. She starts her character arc wanting to grow and be able to stand beside Sasuke and Naruto like an equal, instead of being behind them staring at their backs.

She ends her character arc... deciding she's going to stand behind Naruto and Sasuke staring at their backs. Which makes all her training and character growth...

...wait for it...

...wait for it...

Completely meaningless, considering she ended up right where she started.

Heh, that's why I'm not to fond of Naruto expanding on Sakura's character. Naruto's original two partners have become kind of two dimensional, imo. It was good while they were still young. But as of now their depictions have crashed and burned.

[Len Ikari145]

After this Tobi fight, I'm hoping these two get some serious upgrades. Maybe they should turn Hinata into a vampire or something.

Vampire Hinata? Hmmmmm.......

.............

.............*blood gushes from my nose*


No, no! It's too damn sexy for the imagination!

Why? I mean faeries are kind of cool. There are the trolls under the bridges, the Tolkien elves, the dwarves, sprites etc. If you watched the Spiderwick chronicles they're quite interesting. And they fit the much better than demons. They aren't all tinkerbell like creatures.

I'm just too used to calling them youkai "demons." It sounds more hardcore to my mind and ears.*shrugs*

[The Ultimate One]

Vampire Hinata? Hmmmmm.......

.............

.............*blood gushes from my nose*


No, no! It's too damn sexy for the imagination!:redface

Soooooo....... I'm gonna guess that bloody noses are supposed to be something pervy? So yeah, Hinata is pretty cute, but I've always had a thing for shy, pale, japanese chicks.

[master of read]

Soooooo....... I'm gonna guess that bloody noses are supposed to be something pervy? So yeah, Hinata is pretty cute, but I've always had a thing for shy, pale, japanese chicks.

its a common trope in anime/manga. when a character becomes sexually aroused, they get nose bleeds. this trope has been recently played up in one piece where sanji gets nosebleeds so bad, he's in danger of dying with a proper blood transfusion.

[The Ultimate One]

its a common trope in anime/manga. when a character becomes sexually aroused, they get nose bleeds. this trope has been recently played up in one piece where sanji gets nosebleeds so bad, he's in danger of dying with a proper blood transfusion.

........Anime, ain't it great?