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    Quote Originally Posted by 1505627 View Post
    how is obito a hypocrite?
    As a ninja, there'd likely come a time when he'd have to inflict the kind of pain and heartache he's feeling due to Rin's death now onto an enemy in order to protect someone close or ensure the success of the mission. Yet, because it happened to him, he wants to end the world entirely. It's more ridiculous when you consider the fact some of the heroes of our story have suffered far worse, far more personal, and far more devastating losses and are not suddenly remorselessly evil. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2008 View Post
    It's more ridiculous when you consider the fact some of the heroes of our story have suffered far worse, far more personal, and far more devastating losses and are not suddenly remorselessly evil. Go figure.
    Who?

    Sasuke? Way worse than Obito, since he doesn't really have any plans beyond a vague "REVENGE!" against people that had nothing to do with his tragedy.
    Gaara? Homicidal nutjob until he got snapped out of it.

    And that's about it as far as people who've suffered worse events than Obito seeing one of his best friends murder his other best friend that I can think of.
    Suffering is a fact of life. You survive if you find a reason to endure it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    So we're going to be ignoring the part where the entire point is that he realized at that point that the world they live in sucks?

    Also, he's not trying to end the world 'entirely', he's trying to create a new, better one where things like that don't happen.
    So he didn't know people can die before Rin's death is what you're saying? He didn't know an essential function of being a ninja is too, if necessary, take lives?

    An illusion. Not new world, but merely an illusion. And I suppose he know every sole he's murdered quite intimately so he can recreate them precisely as they were in this illusion, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Who?

    Sasuke? Way worse than Obito, since he doesn't really have any plans beyond a vague "REVENGE!" against people that had nothing to do with his tragedy.
    Gaara? Homicidal nutjob until he got snapped out of it.

    And that's about it as far as people who've suffered worse events than Obito seeing one of his best friends murder his other best friend that I can think of.
    How about Kakashi, who's father killed himself because he was condemned and vilified for saving lives? If something like that doesn't drive a kid to villainy nothing less should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2008 View Post
    How about Kakashi, who's father killed himself because he was condemned and vilified for saving lives? If something like doesn't drive a kid to villainy nothing less should.
    He pretty much would have if not for Obito.


    Naruto is far better example. His life was pretty much made of suck until Iruka came along. And then shit keeps falling on him, yet he hasn't been driven to villainy. Hell, in the Road to Ninja movie, he became evil spoilers:
    due to being possessed by Tobito, and returned to being good after Tobi was exercised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dog View Post
    He pretty much would have if not for Obito.
    How so? All his father death did to him was have have adhere to rules so unflapppably the he paid very little regard to whatever lives may have been at stake.


    Naruto is far better example. His life was pretty much made of suck until Iruka came along. And then shit keeps falling on him, yet he hasn't been driven to villainy. Hell, in the Road to Ninja movie, he became evil spoilers:
    due to being possessed by Tobito, and returned to being good after Tobi was exercised.
    end of spoilers
    Yes. My point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dog View Post
    Naruto is far better example. His life was pretty much made of suck until Iruka came along. And then shit keeps falling on him, yet he hasn't been driven to villainy.
    I would actually argue that while Naruto's life sucked in general, he didn't really suffer much in the way of tragedy until like...Pain murdering Hinata in front of him or maybe Sasuke proving to be an asshole. And even that doesn't really compare to "holy shit my best friend just murdered my other best friend in front of me" in term of sheer shock factor.

    Is that movie actually out, incidentally? It seemed interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    I would actually argue that while Naruto's life sucked in general, he didn't really suffer much in the way of tragedy until like...Pain murdering Hinata in front of him or maybe Sasuke proving to be an asshole. And even that doesn't really compare to "holy shit my best friend just murdered my other best friend in front of me" in term of sheer shock factor.
    You have to be kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2008 View Post
    You have to be kidding.
    Tragedy is a specific type of event, not a catch-all word for a bad life.

    Whose early life sucked the most? Naruto.
    Who suffered the worst tragedy? Obito.
    Suffering is a fact of life. You survive if you find a reason to endure it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Who suffered the worst tragedy? Obito.
    Yep. You must be kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2008 View Post
    As a ninja, there'd likely come a time when he'd have to inflict the kind of pain and heartache he's feeling due to Rin's death now onto an enemy in order to protect someone close or ensure the success of the mission. Yet, because it happened to him, he wants to end the world entirely. It's more ridiculous when you consider the fact some of the heroes of our story have suffered far worse, far more personal, and far more devastating losses and are not suddenly remorselessly evil. Go figure.
    Obito isn't trying to destroy the world. He's trying to make a world where tragedies like that won't happen
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    Yep. You must be kidding.
    or he just plan disagrees with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1505627 View Post
    Obito isn't trying to destroy the world.
    Didn't say he was. I said he's trying end it. By that I didn't mean destroy, by that I meant by casting the illusion on everyone he'll have ended the world as everyone know it to be. Hence, it will end.

    He's trying to make a world where tragedies like that won't happen
    This is understood.


    or he just plan disagrees with you
    That, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2008 View Post
    Didn't say he was. I said he's trying end it. By that I didn't mean destroy, by that I meant by casting the illusion on everyone he'll have ended the world as everyone know it to be. Hence, it will end.

    This is understood.


    That, too.
    you used it in context that meant "Destroy the world".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1505627 View Post
    you used it in context that meant "Destroy the world".
    Now you know what I really meant since I clarified a bit, yes?

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