Naruto Manga/Anime Discussion IV

[remydat]

As stated previously, in my view it's Naruto's chakra body fusing/merging with the chord of chakra that has formed between the two combatants. It can be seen through the art that Naruto's chakra loses it's form as if it dissolved into the chord of chakra. So in my view it isn't actually Naruto losing his chakra to the Kyubi. The statement of Killerbee of not losing can mean a variety of things, but in my view it's him hoping that Naruto should not lose to hatred. And I think it's justified becaue Naruto had to face his hatred in the falls of truth, and it was in this endeavor that Naruto gained Killerbee's friendship and assistance. In essence Killerbee thought Naruto how to overcome hatred.

Bee told the reader that while Naruto is pulling at Kurama's chakra, Kurama can attempt to drain all his chakra but then you are telling me that Kishi doesn't actually bother to show Kurama draining Naruto but instead shows the above which has nothing to do with what Bee said? So did Kishi just have Bee explain the rules for shits and giggles?

Another reason why I have this perspective because I think the Kyuubi has little to gain from taking Naruto's chakra. Taking all of Naruto's chakra, and thereby killing him(as stated by the Hachibi) would also cause Kurama's death(that's why Akatsuki need to capture jinchuriki alive). In my opinion, doing so would just end with both their deaths. And I doubt the Kyuubi would want to die, even if it may ressurect after an unspecified amount of time.

So, in my view, Kurama's most viable option at that point was to infect Naruto with his hatred and influence through his chakra; causing a repetition of what happened in the Pain arc.

They were removing the seal. If Kurama won he would be completely revived because Yamato specifically said what happens if Kurama is completely revived on page 8 of chapter 496 to which Bee replies that the purpose of the temple is to be a jail in the event the jinchuuriki fails and the nine tails would remain there until another jinchuuriki could be found.

[flashdisk]

Bee told the reader that while Naruto is pulling at Kurama's chakra, Kurama can attempt to drain all his chakra but then you are telling me that Kishi doesn't actually bother to show Kurama draining Naruto but instead shows the above which has nothing to do with what Bee said? So did Kishi just have Bee explain the rules for shits and giggles?

I think Bee implied various problems about controlling the 9 tails chakra . And chakra drain from Kurama was just one of them; and one that would also give problems to Naruto later. Another problem Bee implied was that Naruto had to overcome his hatred(implied at the falls of truth). Naruto would have had to contend with both problems. But as I see it,'being infected by hatred' became the 9 tails main weapon against Naruto.

Also, while Killerbee mentioned the mechanics of the tug of war(ripping out of each other's chakra) lasted around a single chapter(496), Naruto's lesson about overcoming hatred lasted multiple chapters from around chapter 492 page 15(Greetings) to around chapter 495 page 13. So given that several chapters delved in Naruto overcoming hatred in preparation for the battle against the 9 tails, I think the importance of overcoming hatred took far more precedence than just the grabbing hold and ripping out of chakra.



And may I add, the importance of being pure of heart when battling the 9 tails was even implied by Killerbee's joke in chapter 496 page 3.

They were removing the seal. If Kurama won he would be completely revived because Yamato specifically said what happens if Kurama is completely revived on page 8 of chapter 496 to which Bee replies that the purpose of the temple is to be a jail in the event the jinchuuriki fails and the nine tails would remain there until another jinchuuriki could be found.

From my perspective, they were prepared for the event Naruto would lose to Kurama's hatred(which would allow the Kyuubi to revive), not necessarily the lose of the tug of war. After all, this was not the first time Naruto was subjugated by hate and influence of Kurama with the 9 tails going out of control during the Pain arc. And given the lesson that Killerbee helped impart to Naruto just a few chapters earlier, I think he was also preparing for that possibility.

Also, as stated before I have only seen the chakra cloak appear when Naruto is provided chakra by the 9 tails, not losing all of his chakra like what happend to Kakashi during his fight with Pain(chapter 424 15-17). And the chakra cloak did begin to form around Naruto's physical body.

[remydat]

So you do think then that Kishi just said all that stuff literally one chapter before for shits and giggles and then decided to ignore it all in favor of stuff discussed several chapters ago including something from 170 chapters ago? He brought up a concept for the first time (tug of war chakra drain) and solely for the purposes of this battle but then decided to not actually use it. Fair enough, it is all speculation and I suppose Kishi has wasted my time before so we can agree to disagree.

[The Transient Guest]

Ok....I think...actually I dont think I have a grasp on your issues, but I do have a grasp on the fact that neither of you can succinctly and tersely sum up what the fuck you are talking about.

OMG NARUTO"S HNADBAND CHAKRA WASN'T MOVING PERPENDICULAR TO THE ANGLE OF THE REFRACTED LIGHT BEAMS FROM THE CHAKRA RODS.

NUH UH, IT'S OVBIOSU THAT THE CHAKRA WASN'T PERPENDICULAR. IT'S BEING ABSORBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, I love arguing and you two are doing it in a way that's just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. It's not right. It is in fact not correct. IT IS INCORRECT.

I even looked back at the pages and you know what, I know what I saw. I know what I interepreted and I come back here to try and join in on the fun and I still can't tell what you can't figure out.

So it's obvy that this will continue till a mod shows up, the new issue comes out, or someone brings up something else to talk about because what is being discussed?

Is not really being discussed.

So here's a new topic of discussion:

ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MANGA.

[Dark Soul # 7]

So here's a new topic of discussion:

ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MANGA.

I still don't think that Sasuke is going to show up for this fight. It would be... kind of pointless really.

I'll guess that they'll somehow manage to deal with the Juubi but by that point the entire army will be entirely and Madara will actually show some emotion. He'll be pissed.

Then the kages show up, maybe with Tsunade or not, and... I'm not sure what might happen from there.

[Hazard]

Okay so, possible subjects.

1) Yakuza Toads. Bunta is obviously a yakuza; so does that mean the entire Toad clan works like a Yakuza organization or just that Bunta likes acting like that?

2) Pet peeve of mine: Ninja and super strength. Okay, so Kishimoto doesn't go out of his way to excitedly show just how insanely above a normal human ninja are in strength. Still, he has shown plenty of examples in his manga . That's why it annoys me when I am in an argument or reading fanfiction (and even in the anime sometimes) and people suddenly treat them like highly athletic humans instead. Anyway, topic: Why do you think that happens?

3) Juugo is an Oni Sage. Are we going to see an Oni tribe at some point?

[Siriel]

Pet peeve of mine: Ninja and super strength. Okay, so Kishimoto doesn't go out of his way to excitedly show just how insanely above a normal human ninja are in strength. Still, he has shown plenty of examples in his manga . That's why it annoys me when I am in an argument or reading fanfiction (and even in the anime sometimes) and people suddenly treat them like highly athletic humans instead. Anyway, topic: Why do you think that happens?

For the same reason that there are fanfics that claim to follow canon that have Itachi barely being able to move from his illness. (Despite the fact that even while on the verge of death he was either equal or slightly faster than Sasuke.)

That is to say, because fanfics writer are often lazy and it's much easier to find a threat to someone who's only above average as opposed to someone who's blatantly metahuman.

Also, because people like to think that real world humans are comparable to fictional people, and thus that someone with a gun would be a threat to anyone who's supposed to be "human".


Doesn't help that the manga itself has Sakura, who can one-shot summons with a punch, being grabbed by a half-dead Sasuke and somehow being unable to just rip his arms off.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Does Sakura have any lifting feats? Cuz, otherwise, I guess its possible that her strength is only useful at the moment of impact.

Ooooooorrrr: her chakra muscles don't have Sharingan or B/Raikage blood, therefore its obvious she can't break Sasuke's hold.

[Hazard]

Going by the description of her technique (she creates a type of cannonball effect with her chakra when she punches), it's likely it is only striking strength, as opposed to Tsunade's "I'm a Senju" super strength.

Edit: Checked their (mostly useless) databook stats. Tsunade has a 5 in strength. Sakura has a 3, which is lower than Naruto and Sasuke.

[1505627]

Ok....I think...actually I dont think I have a grasp on your issues, but I do have a grasp on the fact that neither of you can succinctly and tersely sum up what the fuck you are talking about.

OMG NARUTO"S HNADBAND CHAKRA WASN'T MOVING PERPENDICULAR TO THE ANGLE OF THE REFRACTED LIGHT BEAMS FROM THE CHAKRA RODS.

NUH UH, IT'S OVBIOSU THAT THE CHAKRA WASN'T PERPENDICULAR. IT'S BEING ABSORBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, I love arguing and you two are doing it in a way that's just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. It's not right. It is in fact not correct. IT IS INCORRECT.

I even looked back at the pages and you know what, I know what I saw. I know what I interepreted and I come back here to try and join in on the fun and I still can't tell what you can't figure out.

So it's obvy that this will continue till a mod shows up, the new issue comes out, or someone brings up something else to talk about because what is being discussed?

Is not really being discussed.

So here's a new topic of discussion:

ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MANGA.

i have a theory about guns in relation to the naruto verse

[Hazard]

i have a theory about guns in relation to the naruto verse

Do tell.

Limit.

[Kamina]

I keep wondering what the Naruto franchise would be like if you took "Sharingans and Rasengans" OUT. Like, if the manga was just about a world of ninja children and the conflicts in-between. Characters and their goals can stay the same, and crazy peak human shit can stay - just take out the DBZ/shonen.

[Siriel]

Going by the description of her technique (she creates a type of cannonball effect with her chakra when she punches), it's likely it is only striking strength, as opposed to Tsunade's "I'm a Senju" super strength.

Edit: Checked their (mostly useless) databook stats. Tsunade has a 5 in strength. Sakura has a 3, which is lower than Naruto and Sasuke.

I can recall at least a few filler that showed her having outright superstrength. Can't recall any canonical stuff offhand though.

[1505627]

Do tell.

Limit.

Basically, guns actually do exist in the Naruto world. However, because ninja are super human, guns weren't as much of an equalizer, and never progressed out of the "Piece of shit" stage of their developement. So they never proliferated. I recall there is a shotgun in a panel during the wave arc, but i've never seen it in person so i don't know if it's a modern shotgun or a primitive one.

I can recall at least a few filler that showed her having outright superstrength. Can't recall any canonical stuff offhand though.

to be fair, pretimeskip naruto has superstrength as well

[flashdisk]

So you do think then that Kishi just said all that stuff literally one chapter before for shits and giggles and then decided to ignore it all in favor of stuff discussed several chapters ago including something from 170 chapters ago? He brought up a concept for the first time (tug of war chakra drain) and solely for the purposes of this battle but then decided to not actually use it. Fair enough, it is all speculation and I suppose Kishi has wasted my time before so we can agree to disagree.

Within my perspective of events, Kishimoto didn't waste time in regards to the battle with the 9 tails. Naruto was just able to avoid having the 9 tails rip out his chakra( which is what Bee wanted) while ripping out the chakra of the 9 tails(which again was Bee's instruction). Naruto just got caught by the hatred while trying to accomplish his goal.

So under my interpretation of events, time was not wasted in the scenario.

And I don't mind agreeing to disagree, if you choose to see otherwise in any of these cases.