Naruto Manga/Anime Discussion IV

[The Transient Guest]

Let's make a game? Who ai might cite the biggest and best of jutsus
Naruto?

It's too soon for that kinda thing brah. Give it a few more weeks.

Now then, I'm watching toonami Naruto and Sasuke just said "I don't have a dream, because I'm going to make it a reality."

OMG INAZAMAYNGAI FORESHADOWING>

[The Drunkard Kid]

You all are crazy. Papillon Mask was the manliest butterfly user ever. Followed closely by The Monarch and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.

*cough*

[Ghost]

I meant it figuratively ie her behavior and not literally. Dumb pink haired girl doesn't have the same ring to it.

Thinking about it, wouldn't pink technically count as a kind of red hair?

Her obession with Sasuke says dumb blonde to me.

Has Sakura even been obsessed with Sasuke since, like, pre-time skip?

I mean, she did try to stab him to death that one time, but I got the impression that was more of a platonic thing.

What did you think of the latest episode of Shippuden?
Like it?

I found it very good and you?

Aren't you that guy I couldn't quite tell if was an actual guy or a bot?

[Len Ikari145]

Aren't you that guy I couldn't quite tell if was an actual guy or a bot?

Oh, thank god. I thought I was the only one who thought he was a bot.

A belief that I have yet to discard, I might add.

[Ghost]

Oh, thank god. I thought I was the only one who thought he was a bot.

A belief that I have yet to discard, I might add.

The one I was thinking about seems to have been deleted, but this one is basically identical except with a different name, so I just went ahead and reported him to be on the safe side.

[Siriel]

Noooo. Why report him? I can't tell if he's a bot either!

I mean, he hasn't made lots and lots of threads like the other and he doesn't have links in his sig. So maybe he just loves smileys.

[Hazard]

So I wasn't the only one confused by that. Knowing makes me feel better.

[arp2008]

As I'm watching this war unfold in the most recent chapters, all I think is "all this because a girl this guy liked died, a girl who didn't even reciprocate his feeling at that". And what's worse is that he doesn't even know the reason! He could have apparently, at any time, ask the man responsible but didn't! And considering who is responsible, you'd think that'd make the desire for answers even more needful! Yet he doesn't! He just doesn't care? How can he not care! It's absurd!

[Siriel]

As I'm watching this war unfold in the most recent chapters, all I think is "all this because a girl this guy liked died, a girl who didn't even reciprocate his feeling at that". And what's worse is that he doesn't even know the reason! He could have apparently, at any time, ask the man responsible but didn't! And considering who is responsible, you'd think that'd make the desire for answers even more needful! Yet he doesn't! He just doesn't care? How can he not care! It's absurd!

There's already been a rather extensive discussion about that a few pages back. (Given that said discussion ended up dying because I had to moderator it, I'll remind everyone right away to keep things about the manga, not the posters.)

To Obito, it doesn't matter why Kakashi ended up killing Rin. What matters is that the world they live in is one where such a thing can happen at all. Obito can't accept that, so he intends to override reality with a world where something like that can't happen.

Obito knows that Kakashi isn't some asshole who'd randomly murder one of his best friends, so he can guess that Kakashi probably had a good reason. Hence why he's pissed off at the world that made this possible, not Kakashi.

In other words, it's not about Kakashi killing Rin. It's about them living in a world where best friends can end up killing each others and Obito not being willing to accept that.

Also, technically this war is because of Madara's plan. Had Obito not been willing to go along with it, he most likely would have found someone else.

[remydat]

As I'm watching this war unfold in the most recent chapters, all I think is "all this because a girl this guy liked died, a girl who didn't even reciprocate his feeling at that". And what's worse is that he doesn't even know the reason! He could have apparently, at any time, ask the man responsible but didn't! And considering who is responsible, you'd think that'd make the desire for answers even more needful! Yet he doesn't! He just doesn't care? How can he not care! It's absurd!

This would be true if Kakashi ends up telling Obito the reason why and Obito has a change of heart. If he does then yeah it is a dumb blonde moment. However as Siriel suggests, it is likely Obito does not care that Rin doesn't love him nor does he care why Kakashi killed Rin. The ninja world is screwed up because the girl he loved most can be murdered by the guy he respected most and in the end not only is it not pusnished but it is rewarded. And it is more than just flaws in human nature but the laws/physics of this world itself where butchering your friends and family gets you a shiny new Magekyo Sharingan if you are an Uchiha.

[arp2008]

There's already been a rather extensive discussion about that a few pages back. (Given that said discussion ended up dying because I had to moderator it, I'll remind everyone right away to keep things about the manga, not the posters.)

Yep. I started a similar discussion before the one you speak of and abounded it for others and I agreed to disagree.

To Obito, it doesn't matter why Kakashi ended up killing Rin. What matters is that the world they live in is one where such a thing can happen at all. Obito can't accept that, so he intends to override reality with a world where something like that can't happen.

No matter how you guys try to mold the picture of Obito's motivation not being about Rin, it is! It all comes downs to the fact that his heel turn to evil is because his little childhood crush died. As a ninja Obito could not have been ignorant of the world he lived in. He had to have known people suffered heinous, tragic deaths and the one day he himself may very well have to do the same to another. And yet, all the while during his time with Rin and Kakashi and the 4th he was perfectly content and happy and fun loving. It's only upon her death he suddenly decides he's in hell when he could have very well done the same to enemy? He's a hypocrite.

Obito knows that Kakashi isn't some asshole who'd randomly murder one of his best friends, so he can guess that Kakashi probably had a good reason. Hence why he's pissed off at the world that made this possible, not Kakashi.

In other words, it's not about Kakashi killing Rin. It's about them living in a world where best friends can end up killing each others and Obito not being willing to accept that.

It doesn't make any sense as I explained above. The world didn't kill Rin, Kakashi did. As a ninja, Obito is and has been well aware of the fact that this happens, especially given his occupation as someone who'd have to do the same to someone else should the mission deem it necessary!

If Obito had bothered to ask why he may have gotten an answer that put his heartache over Rin to rest. But nope. He wants to start a world war and relentlessly murder innocents instead.

Also, technically this war is because of Madara's plan. Had Obito not been willing to go along with it, he most likely would have found someone else.

It'd have been bette if he found someone else. At they might have has a justifiable reason.

[arp2008]

This would be true if Kakashi ends up telling Obito the reason why and Obito has a change of heart. If he does then yeah it is a dumb blonde moment. However as Siriel suggests, it is likely Obito does not care that Rin doesn't love him nor does he care why Kakashi killed Rin. The ninja world is screwed up because the girl he loved most can be murdered by the guy he respected most and in the end not only is it not pusnished but it is rewarded. And it is more than just flaws in human nature but the laws/physics of this world itself where butchering your friends and family gets you a shiny new Magekyo Sharingan if you are an Uchiha.

Again, Obito knew good and well the type of world he was in more so than the average citizen since he was a ninja and one who was fighting in a war at that! He couldn't have been so ignorant to the fact the tragic things happen to people and those close to them before deciding on a profession wherein his life would be filled by such things.

He even says in the manga to Kakashi, "it's because you let Rin die".

[The Transient Guest]

Since I'm offended I haven't been mentioned by name as someone that talks about this subject I'm gonna put this bluntly.

The entire bullshit part of the Rin thing is that there is a huge difference between being a part of a reason and being a sole reason. If he had never met Madara and Rin died, then he wouldn't be here. If someone other than Kakashi killed her, then he wouldn't be here. If she died because she slipped and fell on some steps One Piece style, then he wouldn't be here.

It's not that we don't give her credit, it's that we don't give her all of it.

[arp2008]

Since I'm offended I haven't been mentioned by name as someone that talks about this subject I'm gonna put this bluntly.

The entire bullshit part of the Rin thing is that there is a huge difference between being a part of a reason and being a sole reason. If he had never met Madara and Rin died, then he wouldn't be here. If someone other than Kakashi killed her, then he wouldn't be here. If she died because she slipped and fell on some steps One Piece style, then he wouldn't be here.

It's not that we don't give her credit, it's that we don't give her all of it.

Madara is irrelevant. All the while he was with Madara recuperating from his injuries, he had all the resolved in the world to reunite with Kakashi and Rin and the 4th. Obito became only decides to become a hypocrite when Rin dies. And lets not forget that Obito more likely than to had have family back at the village, presuming, of course, he didn't raise and provide for himself during infancy. Yet he chose this obviously ill-intentioned stranger living an an underground lair by himself instead of his family and village. It all doesn't make any sense!

[1505627]

Madara is irrelevant. All the while he was with Madara recuperating from his injuries, he had all the resolved in the world to reunite with Kakashi and Rin and the 4th. Obito became only decides to become a hypocrite when Rin dies. And lets not forget that Obito more likely than to had have family back at the village, presuming, of course, he didn't raise and provide for himself during infancy. Yet he chose this obviously ill-intentioned stranger living an an underground lair by himself instead of his family and village. It all doesn't make any sense!

how is obito a hypocrite?