Naruto Manga/Anime Discussion IV

[Eternal Torment]

The same way they were going to revive him a few years after he died, I imagine.

Either I'm mistaken or Kishi is going to fudge the tech's parameters.

[Robotech Master]

Either I'm mistaken or Kishi is going to fudge the tech's parameters.

Nagato only had enough Chakra left to bring back the recently deceased. It was implied that he could have lived through Rinne Tensei too if he hadn't been that worn out. We're talking about an Obito who isn't super worn out or anything sacrificing his life to the technique, so I imagine we're talking about using a whole day's supply of Chakra behind the thing just to ressurect one dude because of how long ago it was.

And Madara's real body is probably somewhere in an Akatsuki hideaway.

[Eternal Torment]

Nagato only had enough Chakra left to bring back the recently deceased. It was implied that he could have lived through Rinne Tensei too if he hadn't been that worn out. We're talking about an Obito who isn't super worn out or anything sacrificing his life to the technique, so I imagine we're talking about using a whole day's supply of Chakra behind the thing just to ressurect one dude because of how long ago it was.

And Madara's real body is probably somewhere in an Akatsuki hideaway.

Really? When I read it, it was all like "Nagato can bring back the recently deceased, but the chakra drain given how low his reserves are right now would kill him".

The difference being that his technique was geared towards people who died shortly before, not that pumping more chakra would allow it to extend back farther.

[Robotech Master]

Really? When I read it, it was all like "Nagato can bring back the recently deceased, but the chakra drain given how low his reserves are right now would kill him".

The difference being that his technique was geared towards people who died shortly before, not that pumping more chakra would allow it to extend back farther.

I don't know.

From what I can tell from some quick research, Rinne Tensei is not a "call someone or some group of people back from the dead" technique, it's a "King of Hell emerges and shoots 'rejuvenation beams' at dead bodies, which ressurects those that it strikes. So the 'geared towards people who died shortly before' is not a specific limitation of the technique, it's an inferred common gripe since you need a body there to be hit with the beams. If Madara planned to be brought back later, he probably arranged for Obito to keep his body safe somewhere.

But the sheer amount of people Nagato brought back certainly seemed to play a role in how much stress and chakra Nagato used for it. Obito saying that he'd die just bringing back one guy does seem to indicate that it would take more chakra to bring back him compared to an entire village of dudes.

Edit: Alternatively, it could also imply that Obito's chakra reserves are shit compared to Nagato's Uzumaki reserves. Which may give further information on why they needed Nagato as the extra wheel in the first place. This could also shed some light on why Obito hasn't been using Rinnegan techniques at all. Even when they would be rather obviously useful. I mean, you phase into your dimension to escape an attack, suddenly find yourself with a Naruto clone in your dimension ready to pummel you with a Rasengan--you have enough time to think about how the clone got Kamui'd in there with you, and you don't even consider activating Preta Path to absorb the Rasengan, or using Shinra Tensei to blow the clone away. Or how about the usefulness of Banho Tenin-ing someone towards you and then absorbing them with Kamui? I wonder if using them even a little is really taxing on Obito.

[Eternal Torment]

Fair enough, that makes sense.

[Dark Soul # 7]

"Madara, I have the resurrection jutsu. Your plan is at my mercy."

"I guess, yeah."

"So we do as I say."

"Okay. What do we do now?"

"Make them feel despair!"

"...How is that any different from what I was doing?"

Obito: I won't be a smug douche about it.

Madara: ...how is that any fun?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Alternatively, it could also imply that Obito's chakra reserves are shit compared to Nagato's Uzumaki reserves. Which may give further information on why they needed Nagato as the extra wheel in the first place. This could also shed some light on why Obito hasn't been using Rinnegan techniques at all. Even when they would be rather obviously useful. I mean, you phase into your dimension to escape an attack, suddenly find yourself with a Naruto clone in your dimension ready to pummel you with a Rasengan--you have enough time to think about how the clone got Kamui'd in there with you, and you don't even consider activating Preta Path to absorb the Rasengan, or using Shinra Tensei to blow the clone away. Or how about the usefulness of Banho Tenin-ing someone towards you and then absorbing them with Kamui? I wonder if using them even a little is really taxing on Obito.

I tend to think that this is the case. While Obito certainly has the stamina on par with elite jounin dude isn't really shit compared to Nagato's reserves. It was probably the reason why the Six Jinchuuriki didn't use any rinnegan powers. Obito just didn't have the chakra required to give them any of that stuff.

Probably doesn't help that he's not at all that used to the rinnegan abilities.

[Robotech Master]

I tend to think that this is the case. While Obito certainly has the stamina on par with elite jounin dude isn't really shit compared to Nagato's reserves. It was probably the reason why the Six Jinchuuriki didn't use any rinnegan powers. Obito just didn't have the chakra required to give them any of that stuff.

Probably doesn't help that he's not at all that used to the rinnegan abilities.

Back when he was coping the Rikudou, Tobi said he wasn't using Rinnegan techniques through them because they were familiar with how to counter them by now.

But that story rings like bullshit in the current situation. If you see a dude bearing down on you with a Rasengan roaring along his outstretched hand, and you have the ability to absorb it, then "well, he could just punch me instead" is no reason to not absorb it.

[Rosebunse]

Well, this confirms it, it's NaruHina! It almost has to be now...damn you Kishi, that was sad...Yes, I'm crying...

[The Dog]

Obito: I won't be a smug douche about it.

Madara: ...how is that any fun?

Naruto: *teary-eyed* But you ARE being a smug douche about it!

Obito: No I'm not!

Madara: Yes you are. Or do you call mocking a guy after a close friend sacrificed themselves for him not being a smug douche?

Obito: Shut up! It's totally different!

Madara:. You just keep telling yourself that, I'm certain it'll make it true. Just look at how that blonde kid keeps saying he'll defeat us made it true.

Obito: STOP TALKING!

Naruto: You really are a dick.

Madara: I do try.

[remydat]

If Neji stays dead and Kishi kills Shikamaru then screw it, I am siding with Madara and Obito as this Ninja World will no longer hold any value for me. Dude doesn't use all these other great characters for much of the time post time skip and then kills my boy Neji. Blow this whole shit up.

[Ragnorok64]

I do kinda hope this death sticks for the sake of plot impact but I'm not holding my breath when there's someone on the field capable of using a mass resurrection jutsu and set up in a position to heel turn before this arc draws to a close.

[Rosebunse]

It's funny. In the Spider-Man forums, people are begging Slott not to kill Spiderman, but here, we're begging Kishi to keep Neji dead. But seriously, this needs to stick! And, like I said, either way, now Naruto has to end up with Hinata. Well, too bad Sakura fans...

[Dark Soul # 7]

Naruto: *teary-eyed* But you ARE being a smug douche about it!

Obito: No I'm not!

Madara: Yes you are. Or do you call mocking a guy after a close friend sacrificed themselves for him not being a smug douche?

Obito: Shut up! It's totally different!

Madara:. You just keep telling yourself that, I'm certain it'll make it true. Just look at how that blonde kid keeps saying he'll defeat us made it true.

Obito: STOP TALKING!

Naruto: You really are a dick.

Madara: I do try.

Obito: And I wasn't being smug about it or doing it for fun. I was just pointing out how futile fighting us is.

Madara: You were doing it in a douchey way though.

Obito: Oh shut up! We're all trash anyway.

Madara: Well, you guys certainly are. Me and Hashirama-kun on the other hand. We were the very definition on non-trash.

Obito: Is this going to turn into another session of me writing down your Hashirama-fan fiction. Because I got really sick of that in the cave.

Madara: No no. We'll do that after we've killed everybody here.

[Kevin M.]

I do kinda hope this death sticks for the sake of plot impact but I'm not holding my breath when there's someone on the field capable of using a mass resurrection jutsu and set up in a position to heel turn before this arc draws to a close.

I hope to god this is not the case.

You pretty much defeat the purpose of Neji's sacrifice, or the sacrifices of the other Shinobi. In other words, that would make death as meaningful as it is in the DBZ universe.