Suffering is a fact of life. You survive if you find a reason to endure it.
So for anyone interested, as I actually have some time these days I may update my Naruto speed soon. There have definitely been a few good ones as of late.
Also, taking on bets:
1) Juubi is defeated. Evil loses. Good triumphs.
2) Moon Eye Plan goes as planned.
3) Juubi breaks free from Tobi and Madara's control
Nope. It may or may not be activated, but even if it does, a spanner in the works causes it to fail.2) Moon Eye Plan goes as planned.
I say... No. The Juubi is powerful, yes, but Madara is so utterly broken that I doubt any bijuu, even the Juubi, can best him.3) Juubi breaks free from Tobi and Madara's control
Or the world might just get fixed once the various governments decide to stop turning children into ninja.
1) Suigetsu says Orochimaru will get involved in the War.
2) Sasuke brings Orochimaru back
3) Orochimaru says he was aware of things happening in the outside world and says "By the way Suigetsu, let me just say one thing: I have absolutely no interest in this war."
There is zero evidence that he's lying through his teeth in this scenario. It's actually far more believable for him to be strangely honest and upfront at this point. Him suddenly saying "Psych, time to go troll the main cast instead of letting them be the ones to fix their problems" would be bad writing, IMO.
As far as I'm concerned, Sasuke and Orochimaru are setting things up for the next arc. At the most, I see them doing something that messes up the Moon's Eye Plan a bit, like delays it or leaves a loophole of cancellation in it, but not by physically showing up to overburden this battle with even more shit.
The only clue we have to who Sasuke wants to talk to is that Orochimaru asked "Why do you want to talk with them?" It could be any group, but it could only be the Sage if he's a part of that group. A closer idea that fits would be for it to be the brothers who founded the Senju and Uchiha lines; but honestly I'm not sure where the Sasuke thing is going--what he seems to want are answers that will impart to him a greater conviction in doing what he thinks he wants to do.But the Senju and Uchiha conflict began due to the Sage's passing. If Sasuke wants to know the true history of his clan, then he wants to speak to someone from around that era, right? Who else is he going to talk to - some ominous shadow cabinet of Konoha?
EDIT: Speaking of Sasuke's future roles, there's something really bugging me right now. Why the fuck did Tobi want Sasuke in Akatsuki and why eagerly seek him to awaken EMS? Because there was no payoff to that. He mentioned something about synching him to the Gedo Mazo to replace Nagato as his pawn maybe. Nope, none of that; Mazo seems to work fine. Needs his EMS to do something important? Nope, he seems to be rather eager to start the Moon's Eye Plan right now.
I suppose he may have needed to play a role that Madara is now doing, but they didn't mention anything so that's just an assumption on my part. It's a bit of a plot hole at the moment.
Last edited by Robotech Master; 11-23-2012 at 04:31 PM.
"It's your parting gift. In that it will part you; part of you over here, part of you over there, part of you way over there, staining the wall!" Lord Shen
As for Orochimaru and any interest he might have in it. Besides the fact that he's said he won't get involved it's basically a bunch of people he doesn't care about fighting for causes he doesn't care about. For him that's good. Let them kill each other so that he has less people to be bothered by afterwards.
Why would he honor Sasuke's request to the fullest? The boy tried to kill him twice. I would think he's doing it/going through the motions so Sasuke doesn't roast him alive.There is zero evidence that he's lying through his teeth in this scenario. It's actually far more believable for him to be strangely honest and upfront at this point.
I'm not saying he's gonna troll the main cast right off the bat. But what reason does Sasuke have to trust Orochimaru at all? They have both tried to kill/absorb each other. Orochimaru could be leading Sasuke into Lavender Town for all we know. To me, having the villain make stupid decisions like blabbing his true objective to the protagonist is even worse writing. Deceiving Sasuke would be a smarter option.Him suddenly saying "Psych, time to go troll the main cast instead of letting them be the ones to fix their problems" would be bad writing, IMO.
Okay, assume Orochimaru is being honorable, then what is Orochimaru going to show Sasuke that makes them team up? Sasuke is going to team up with Lord Voldemort's ninja ancestor because he's still obsessed with the idea that his clan was this perfect, utopian society until a bunch of assholes came and wrecked it? And Orochimaru's going to team up with Sasuke because sticking close to the person you want to bodysnatch but could kill you at any given moment is great camaraderie? I stick with the idea that Orochimaru is either going to lie to him to bide for time/an ambush, or select the truth that points Sasuke in the direction he wants him to go in - to the war with more disdain for Madara/Obito than Orochimaru.
If Orochimaru really is caddying to Sasuke's request and setting up the next arc, then that disappoints me. Not that Orochimaru returning as an antagonist is bad, but doing so and completely hijacking the spot from Madara and Obito is a terrible decision. The Ten-Tails is here now. Kishimoto is going to have to write some age-old conspiracy, like the Vanderviech Invasion or the Hogyuku, to outdo the Ten-Tails showing up and the world being permanently altered. The Ten-Tails/The Tailed Beasts are the fuel behind the plot; ignoring them in favor of Orochimaru would be like ignoring the horcruxes for Harry's conflict with Draco Malfoy, or ignoring Frieza for the Dragon Balls, or ignoring Darth Vader for Boba Fett.
At least Madara imparted his philosophy onto Obito - they use a similar fighting style, they're both portrayed as being nigh-unbeatable, they come from the same clan, they have a personal history, they have flashbacks, etc. That creates a villainous pair that, in my eyes, are worthy of being the "final antagonists".
They don't have to show up right away. Come up with a reason to make Sasuke deactivate "Avenger Mode" and settle his score with Naruto.As far as I'm concerned, Sasuke and Orochimaru are setting things up for the next arc. At the most, I see them doing something that messes up the Moon's Eye Plan a bit, like delays it or leaves a loophole of cancellation in it, but not by physically showing up to overburden this battle with even more shit.
The displays of power in this series are already off the charts, we've got ninja gods/demons playing dodgeball with nuclear energy blasts, and the "war arc" paints a huge conflict for the protagonists to resolve. I want Sasuke and Orochimaru to get involved with this plot, rather than just set up some new chain of events. What was the point of all this build-up to "The Ten-Tails, Madara Uchiha, Obito, and the Moon's Eye Plan" if Orochimaru/Sasuke was just going to hijack the plot all of a sudden?
He's a lazy villain then. Orochimaru barely survived against Naruto's 4-Tailed Form, so claiming victory from a bruised and battered Jinchuriki combo, or the Uchiha combo, is going to end badly for him. The zombies are gone, the Zetsus will be dealt with, and there's still a battered ninja army in the distance. Good luck Snake-Man.As for Orochimaru and any interest he might have in it. Besides the fact that he's said he won't get involved it's basically a bunch of people he doesn't care about fighting for causes he doesn't care about. For him that's good. Let them kill each other so that he has less people to be bothered by afterwards.
...unless Orochimaru uses Edo Tensei and starts the whole process over again...
I think Orochimaru is going to have a massive off-panel power-up that's never explained. he'll basically be like Eric Cartman: "when I get resu-erected and get super-powers I'm gonna smote you assholes!"
it wouldn't be the first time in Naruto that somebody got a power-up for no explicable reason.
my only hope is that he doesn't get WTF-pwned instantly by yet another Uchiha. one of the most frustrating things in the manga was when he came back to get killed off in less than give panels by Itachi. that was ridiculous.
And I for one wouldn't mind dialing things back a bit with just Orochimaru and Sasuke as the final big threats. All the kaijuu-fighting and mountain busting just isn't doing anything for me.
Sasuke on the other hand has all the right connections, opposing philosophy, power and character development to be the main antagonist in the end.
And I hardly think Obito's been portrayed as nigh-unbeatable, mostly because Minato kicked his ass. Especially not on Madara's level.
The canon one, that Kishimoto has established in this last year is so far my favorite by far.
Even the stuff like Kyuubi naturally becoming the leader of this team just feels so natural.
Last edited by Hazard; 11-25-2012 at 06:53 AM.