Creative changes? Relaunch? What's next for the the Avengers?

[Moriarty]

Have they put Hulk and Banner back together again?

not yet.

10 char.

[Lascoden]

The Hulk would trump the Extinction Team by himself.

Hm, is that maybe why they don't put him on a team? The Hulk, when he's in full Green Scar mode, is pretty much stronger then most teams, X or Avengers. Having him on a team would be way unbalanced.

[Umbra]

Just some of the assembled team...with the movie being the core team. Notice Logan is still there...I wonder if this is going to change and how that's going to work out.

I would love a team with Thor, Hulk and Logan
And Ironman and T'challa. Team with guys who get on each others nerves...and others that I have not mentioned..written by Hickman.

[marvell2100]

Hm, is that maybe why they don't put him on a team? The Hulk, when he's in full Green Scar mode, is pretty much stronger then most teams, X or Avengers. Having him on a team would be way unbalanced.

Just look at what he did in WWH to just about everybody.

[XPac]

Hm, is that maybe why they don't put him on a team? The Hulk, when he's in full Green Scar mode, is pretty much stronger then most teams, X or Avengers. Having him on a team would be way unbalanced.

As much as I like Hulk, I'm not sure he by himself trumps the extinction team. But he's a definate ace in the hole... no doubt about it.

I think part of the reason for bringing him on might be because he wants some extra muscle to fight the X-Men.

But that aside, I imagine similar to Red Hulk Steve would rather have the Hulk operating with them in plain sight rather than out there unsupervised doing who knows what.

As far as balancing the teams... he doesn't imbalance it anymore than Thor does IMO. So that's not necessarily a huge issue.

[Lascoden]

Just look at what he did in WWH to just about everybody.

Yeah, that's what I mean. If he did join, he would get a major downgrade in power. They always hamstring the heavy hitting characters. Thor has massive energy manipulation powers and can open portals, but on Avengers he only swings a hammer and throws lightning. Magneto can take on whole Avengers and X-Men teams, but he's been pretty downgraded since going to Utopia.

[XPac]

Yeah, that's what I mean. If he did join, he would get a major downgrade in power. They always hamstring the heavy hitting characters. Thor has massive energy manipulation powers and can open portals, but on Avengers he only swings a hammer and throws lightning. Magneto can take on whole Avengers and X-Men teams, but he's been pretty downgraded since going to Utopia.

The thing with Hulk is that he doesn't need a power downgrade... or a power upgrade for that matter.

Hulk's power level varies... it goes up and down depending on his level of anger. So it's easy to justify the higher end shows and even some of the lower end ones. Hulk can literally be as strong as the story needs him to be (and that happens to a lot of characters, but in Hulks case at least it's justifed).

[marvell2100]

Yeah, that's what I mean. If he did join, he would get a major downgrade in power. They always hamstring the heavy hitting characters. Thor has massive energy manipulation powers and can open portals, but on Avengers he only swings a hammer and throws lightning. Magneto can take on whole Avengers and X-Men teams, but he's been pretty downgraded since going to Utopia.

You could do that with most of the heavy hitters. Storm, Magneto, Thor, Vision. Same with the tech guys like T'Challa and Tony. They could devise ways of taking just about anyone down.

[Umbra]

Yeah, that's what I mean. If he did join, he would get a major downgrade in power. They always hamstring the heavy hitting characters. Thor has massive energy manipulation powers and can open portals, but on Avengers he only swings a hammer and throws lightning. Magneto can take on whole Avengers and X-Men teams, but he's been pretty downgraded since going to Utopia.

If Colossus is ok to write....then the Hulk is fine...and Stark and T'challa both have been show to know how to counter mags..who seems more reasonable then Scott now. Lol

[Lascoden]

You could do that with most of the heavy hitters. Storm, Magneto, Thor, Vision. Same with the tech guys like T'Challa and Tony. They could devise ways of taking just about anyone down.

Please explain why Vision is on that list. Honest question. I have a terrible understanding of what his power levels are.

[marvell2100]

Please explain why Vision is on that list. Honest question. I have a terrible understanding of what his power levels are.

Vizh is one of the strongest beings on the planet. He can alter his density from intangibility to diamond hardness. He shoot's heat rays from his eyes and also has a solar gem on his forehead that shoots a solar beam. Vizh also has the disruption schtick were he put in intangible hand in your body and partially solidifies inside of you. He could kill you with it but he only uses it to stun. He was built by Ultron to take on the Avengers.

They really don't play up all of the aspects of his powers like they used to.

[Lascoden]

Vizh is one of the strongest beings on the planet. He can alter his density from intangibility to diamond hardness. He shoot's heat rays from his eyes and also has a solar gem on his forehead that shoots a solar beam. Vizh also has the disruption schtick were he put in intangible hand in your body and partially solidifies inside of you. He could kill you with it but he only uses it to stun. He was built by Ultron to take on the Avengers.

They really don't play up all of the aspects of his powers like they used to.

I had basic outline of his powers, but not a good understanding. I didn't know he could get like diamond. I knew Vision 2 could, but I remember someone saying he was superior to the original. Thanks!

Hm...if his power is density control, shouldn't he get larger or smaller? Or does he use Pym particles to push and pull the mass, like Reptil does when he goes full dino?

[Telos]

I had basic outline of his powers, but not a good understanding. I didn't know he could get like diamond. I knew Vision 2 could, but I remember someone saying he was superior to the original. Thanks!

Hm...if his power is density control, shouldn't he get larger or smaller? Or does he use Pym particles to push and pull the mass, like Reptil does when he goes full dino?

He has control of his density, not his volume. So no, he doesn't use Pym particles and he doesn't grow or shrink.

At maximum density, Vision can punch at a strength comparable to Thor. He can fly, go intangible and fire beams of heat and solar radiation. Unfortunately, he hasn't been used to his full potential since the Busiek run, if not before then.

[Lascoden]

He has control of his density, not his volume. So no, he doesn't use Pym particles and he doesn't grow or shrink.

At maximum density, Vision can punch at a strength comparable to Thor. He can fly, go intangible and fire beams of heat and solar radiation. Unfortunately, he hasn't been used to his full potential since the Busiek run, if not before then.

So, he controls his mass? Because, density is mass/volume, so something would have to give or take. That's why I was think Pym particles. He could bring in/take out mass, just like Pym, but instead of growing/shrinking, he stays the same size, and packs the mass down/spreads it out.

[Nomads1]

I don't think there not being a Hulk like in the movie or in the Cartoon is a deterent for Hulk being on the team. Ever since the end of Mantalo's run, when Hulk got Banner's inteligence and personality, and then lost it, Hulk's been a character in pretty much constant flux. Savage, mindles, smart, mean, well-ajusted, etc... I don't think it'd take much for him to revert to a personality more in tune to being a (dificult, of course, otherwise, where's the fun?)member of a team. My only concern is that Hulk being a member of any team has always kind of tied his development in his own book. Look at how long we had to put up with childlike Hulk when he was a member of the Defenders (and I say this in the nicest way possible, because I liked childlike Hulk).

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