Creative changes? Relaunch? What's next for the the Avengers?

[marvell2100]

I'd love to see Hickman take over the Avengers. I think he would be the best high profile choice right now. And keep Remender on SA. But who to put on NA?

[Lady_Alternate]

I'd love to see Hickman take over the Avengers. I think he would be the best high profile choice right now. And keep Remender on SA. But who to put on NA?

I'd actually like to see the NA roster explicitly tailored to street level, and have someone like McCann or Kathryn Immonen write it.

[Nomads1]

The hour is at hand. The DREADFUL Bendis days will soon be forgotten.

Oh, Happy Days, Oh Happy Days....

I wish for Waid, but am putting my money on Hickman. Other than a special project here or there (maybe an arc on Assemble) don't see Whedon commiting to anything long term.

Peace

[CTpitch]

I'd actually like to see the NA roster explicitly tailored to street level, and have someone like McCann or Kathryn Immonen write it.

if mccann is writing hawkeye then for sure with that statement

[RDMacQ]

I'd love to see Hickman take over the Avengers. I think he would be the best high profile choice right now. And keep Remender on SA. But who to put on NA?

Personally, I think that they'd need someone bigger than just a well known comic book writer to follow up Bendis on Avengers. Like what happened with Joss Whedon following up Grant Morrison on the X-Men.

However, I don't think Marvel is recruiting "Celebrity" writers these days, for a variety of reasons.

[RDMacQ]

I'd actually like to see the NA roster explicitly tailored to street level, and have someone like McCann or Kathryn Immonen write it.

But then we'd get even more people claiming that they weren't "real" Avengers, since they're not "powerful" enough.

[Telos]

But then we'd get even more people claiming that they weren't "real" Avengers, since they're not "powerful" enough.

There are a lot of different fans who judge whether an Avenger is "real" based on different criteria. Although I strongly dislike Bendis's Avengers run, and I don't consider Wolverine, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Jessica Jones, or any of Bendis's other pets to be real Avengers, I don't base it on power levels. It's about how naturally the characters fit the story, and what their roles are. If the stories were well-written and respectful to existing continuity, I don't think fans would mind an all-street team in New Avengers.

[RDMacQ]

There are a lot of different fans who judge whether an Avenger is "real" based on different criteria. Although I strongly dislike Bendis's Avengers run, and I don't consider Wolverine, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Jessica Jones, or any of Bendis's other pets to be real Avengers, I don't base it on power levels. It's about how naturally the characters fit the story, and what their roles are. If the stories were well-written and respectful to existing continuity, I don't think fans would mind an all-street team in New Avengers.

Yeah.

Here's the thing...

Did they serve on a team called the Avengers?

Then they're Avengers.

The stories were well written, and did respect existing continuity. Sorry you don't like them on the team, or the stories they are involved in, but that dislike doesn't mean that they don't "count" as Avengers. That's all it is, and all it should be.

[Lascoden]

Yeah.

Here's the thing...

Did they serve on a team called the Avengers?

Then they're Avengers.

The stories were well written, and did respect existing continuity. Sorry you don't like them on the team, or the stories they are involved in, but that dislike doesn't mean that they don't "count" as Avengers. That's all it is, and all it should be.

Well written, possibly. But respectful to continuity? No way in hell. It's only respectful to existing continuity, in that it ignored, retconned, and rewrote whole swaths of continuity. At times, it even ignored what was going on in books that were happening at the same time.

[RDMacQ]

Well written, possibly. But respectful to continuity? No way in hell. It's only respectful to existing continuity, in that it ignored, retconned, and rewrote whole swaths of continuity. At times, it even ignored what was going on in books that were happening at the same time.

Sorry. I read ALL of Bendis' Avengers stories, and, really, the only story he "retconned" was the whole thing with Wanda and her children.

He was spending far too much time forging a new path rather than go back and rewrite the continuity. Don't like it? Don't have to. But the complaint that he rewrote and retconned "whole swaths" of continuity is just erroneous.

[SomeBodyAtCBR]

Sorry. I read ALL of Bendis' Avengers stories, and, really, the only story he "retconned" was the whole thing with Wanda and her children.

He was spending far too much time forging a new path rather than go back and rewrite the continuity. Don't like it? Don't have to. But the complaint that he rewrote and retconned "whole swaths" of continuity is just erroneous.

But he's certainly forgotten and ignored things. For instance, who he gave each infinity gem to. He certainly flubbed that up. I'm not a professional writer, but wouldn't you think he'd go back and read the story he was following up on while writing the script? To me, a mistake like that (while not essential to the story) reeks of laziness, and yes, again while it's not essential to the story in my eyes it brings down the quality of the product I'm buying and as a consumer I don't like to buy things with poor quality. Mistakes like these make me feel that the writer doesn't care about the product they are putting out.

[RDMacQ]

But he's certainly forgotten and ignored things. For instance, who he gave each infinity gem to. He certainly flubbed that up. I'm not a professional writer, but wouldn't you think he'd go back and read the story he was following up on while writing the script? To me, a mistake like that (while not essential to the story) reeks of laziness, and yes, again while it's not essential to the story in my eyes it brings down the quality of the product I'm buying and as a consumer I don't like to buy things with crap quality. I want a story written by someone who at least appears to have done some homework, not just write out of their ass.

Yeah. But that's his own @#$%. Not a "huge swath" of Avengers continuity.

Bendis- as much as I like the guys work- has a problem of keeping stuff he did straight.

[Umbra]

Hickmen on the Avengers
Aaron on New Avengers
Parker on Dark Avengers
Reminder on Secret
Yost on Assembled
Fraction can stay on Defenders, he's just fine there.
Bendis to the X-Verse? Lol

Maybe the can bring back Mighty Avengers? by Waid.

[SomeBodyAtCBR]

Yeah. But that's his own @#$%. Not a "huge swath" of Avengers continuity.

Bendis- as much as I like the guys work- has a problem of keeping stuff he did straight.

I'm sure someone soon could give an example where Bendis flat-out ignores something that was going on in another comic, but to be fair I think that's more of the editor's fault than Bendis especially considering he works so far in advance.

[Lascoden]

Sorry. I read ALL of Bendis' Avengers stories, and, really, the only story he "retconned" was the whole thing with Wanda and her children.

He was spending far too much time forging a new path rather than go back and rewrite the continuity. Don't like it? Don't have to. But the complaint that he rewrote and retconned "whole swaths" of continuity is just erroneous.

He made Beyonder into an Inhuman mutant thing. He made the Illuminati. He redid what it means to be Sorcerer Supreme. He ignored the fact that Carol Danvers was dead. He ignored the fact that Tony Stark was broke. He did Secret Invasion, which retconned Mockingbird's death, and her subsequent adventures in the after-life. Apparently Magneto raised Wanda and Pietro. He redid the entire character of Sentry and the Void. He introduced a whole new 1959 Avengers team, that we had never heard of until now. So no, much more then the Wanda thing, which even that is a pretty big deal.