BRITAIN PREVAILS - Captain Britain & MI13 Appreciation PART II

[Gryphon]

Who would Drew Mcintyre be though?

[Legion_Quest]

Considering poor Drew's career, he'd be a henchman who'd be destroyed within the first two minutes.

Stupid WWE, wasting him as they are

[Gryphon]

Considering poor Drew's career, he'd be a henchman who'd be destroyed within the first two minutes.

Stupid WWE, wasting him as they are

He apparently had an amazing match on a taped episode of nxt to air in a few weeks, against seth rollins the former roh champion tyler black.

[Legion_Quest]

He could have amazing matches with most of the roster, but the powers that be don't seem to care. Not that they care about anyone not named Cena, but still

[OJSlaughter]

So what is Brian's current motivation in AvX?

He has absolutely no reason to side with the Avengers any more.

[Captain Clarkie]

He has absolutely no reason to side with the Avengers any more.

Why not?

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[OJSlaughter]

Why not?

The phoenix force is no longer charging at earth with the potential to destroy it, nor is it overwhelming a child that is over her head with potential.

He has worked with a Phoenix Host before and unlike the Avengers, he hasn't been shown to be mistrustful of Scott and the X-Men. He certainly shouldn't want to join in with the child snatching plans of the other avengers.

[Captain Clarkie]

The phoenix force is no longer charging at earth with the potential to destroy it, nor is it overwhelming a child that is over her head with potential.

He has worked with a Phoenix Host before and unlike the Avengers, he hasn't been shown to be mistrustful of Scott and the X-Men. He certainly shouldn't want to join in with the child snatching plans of the other avengers.

He also has experience with individuals who have too much power and mistrusting that, and tends to show loyalty to those he's working with. He's had so little interaction with Scott and his X-men that we have no idea how he feels about him and the schism.

[OJSlaughter]

I would argue that Brian has more interaction with the X-Men than the Avengers. Then again that was some time ago and everything has changed now.

[Basterdshark]

I'm not aware of Britain being broken. My little corner of Suffolk seems to be still all in one piece.

My parents moved to Suffolk and, lets be honest, it isn't the most cosmopolitan place, minus the cyberpricks taking the loong commute into the city. It's quaint and mostly lovely. I can only say have a nice time but that kind of pastoral happiness isn't for me!

But which would be at odds with the character as originally created and as portrayed in the comics for over 35 years.

But that's how most actors work. Verisimilitude always get pushed aside, especially when you have an actor trying to find a lead into a character.

Why? This presupposes that Brian has the same hangups you seem to have about the class system, which to me seems highly unlikely as he never has before.Personally, the last thing I would want or expect to see from a Captain Britain movie or TV show would be a lot of tedious bleating about social inequality and 'broken Britain'. Give me Slaymaster and the Crazy Gang and I'm happy.

That's not really what I'm suggesting. Forgive me for being self indulgent, but relationship between man and flag isn't one delivered explicitly; its not like Brian is doing a cameo in Before Sunset or something. But like it or not, CB versus Slaymaster and the Crazy Gang would be read in purely abstract terms by the big fish of the academic bubble -- and thus turned into indefinite tenure! Brian ain't no class warrior; but he is a walking flag. Would you say MI:13 contains tedious bleating about social stratification? Not at all. That's the kind of level I'm talking about. Superheroes operate on a symbolic level; they don't have to go round proselytizing about it afterward. It might all be fantasy and magic tat to some, but that doesn't mean it can't work on multiple levels.

I think its inevitable in the appearance of Captain Britain in any other media that casting would be problematic; it so would be nice for an actor to nail it and not leave us with some bitter lovechild of Remender.

[highwayguy]

Who would Drew Mcintyre be though?

Possibly Kylun. Maybe Black Axe.

Davey Boy Smith (God rest his soul) and the Dynamite Kid would definitely represent the Union Jack legacy.

[tony ingram]

I would argue that Brian has more interaction with the X-Men than the Avengers. Then again that was some time ago and everything has changed now.

Brian worked with several X-Men quite closely, but had very little interaction with the team as a whole and virtually none with Cyclops. On the other hand, Captain America is one of his oldest friends, the first other superhero he ever worked alongside, and someone he has a great deal of respect for.

My parents moved to Suffolk and, lets be honest, it isn't the most cosmopolitan place, minus the cyberpricks taking the loong commute into the city. It's quaint and mostly lovely. I can only say have a nice time but that kind of pastoral happiness isn't for me!

You have a very narrow view of the place. There's more to Suffolk than 'quaint'.

But that's how most actors work. Verisimilitude always get pushed aside, especially when you have an actor trying to find a lead into a character.

The only 'lead' they'd need to find into Brian's character would be what makes Brian himself tick, not how he works in relation to some imagined social agenda. He's a well educated minor aristocrat with a tendency towards conservatism and a background in science. That says everything we need to know about his place in the world.

That's not really what I'm suggesting. Forgive me for being self indulgent, but relationship between man and flag isn't one delivered explicitly; its not like Brian is doing a cameo in Before Sunset or something. But like it or not, CB versus Slaymaster and the Crazy Gang would be read in purely abstract terms by the big fish of the academic bubble

I wasn't aware that's who Captain Britain was aimed at...

-- and thus turned into indefinite tenure! Brian ain't no class warrior; but he is a walking flag. Would you say MI:13 contains tedious bleating about social stratification? Not at all. That's the kind of level I'm talking about. Superheroes operate on a symbolic level; they don't have to go round proselytizing about it afterward. It might all be fantasy and magic tat to some, but that doesn't mean it can't work on multiple levels.

I think its inevitable in the appearance of Captain Britain in any other media that casting would be problematic; it so would be nice for an actor to nail it and not leave us with some bitter lovechild of Remender.

I agree with the last part, but I suspect we have different ideas on what nailing it would mean in relation to Brian.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It's tricky to know where Brian woud stand, now.

I mean he faced off against The Phoenix, tried to reason with it. But what we now have with The Five is a very different proposition.

The X-Men seem to be dealing with this changes as 'Well, our guys are now weilding it, so they must be in control. We no longer need to worry'. But I agree with Captain Clarkie here. Sure, they appear to be going out and doing fixing giant problems on a global scale. But I think Brian would want to know who's really in control?

Sure, Scott is sitting on his seat of power on new Utopia, but his speech balloons would certainly suggest it's The Phoenix talking. Brian has seen how power can corrupt, and that is one HELL of a power. It might be currently used for good deeds, but how long before The Phoenix gets bored, and that all changes.

In an ideal world The Avengers would send in a guy like Brian, to Parley. Or similar. But you just know that won't happen.

[Basterdshark]

You have a very narrow view of the place. There's more to Suffolk than 'quaint'.

I didn't say I had panoramic insight into the place nor did I say I was ready for a travelogue series. You can take the quaint compliment or not but I think Suffolk is a lovely place.

The only 'lead' they'd need to find into Brian's character would be what makes Brian himself tick, not how he works in relation to some imagined social agenda. He's a well educated minor aristocrat with a tendency towards conservatism and a background in science. That says everything we need to know about his place in the world.

But they are one and the same -- this "imagined social agenda" (come on guys, we used to be nice around here :)) As you say, a well educated minor aristocratic with a tendency towards protecting the status quo and a background in science. That places him in the world in a pretty specific kind of place. Even so, Brian's psychology is more than the key attributes of his character: when was the last time Brian was caught doing some scientific? You need his relationship to the world, whether beleaguered in it fighting for the little man, or draped in flags and attempting, as Beast scornfully says, to be the perfect hero.

I wasn't aware that's who Captain Britain was aimed at...I agree with the last part, but I suspect we have different ideas on what nailing it would mean in relation to Brian.

Well, its not obviously. But those people still exist and some of them write things that some of us read. Wouldn't it be nice to read something nice about a portrayal of Captain Britain that doesn't flash crazy with danger words like jingoistic, imperialist or arrogant burk? Or have fans of the character suddenly decided they want that imagined version of Brian Braddock back?

[Basterdshark]

It's tricky to know where Brian woud stand, now.

I mean he faced off against The Phoenix, tried to reason with it. But what we now have with The Five is a very different proposition.

The X-Men seem to be dealing with this changes as 'Well, our guys are now weilding it, so they must be in control. We no longer need to worry'. But I agree with Captain Clarkie here. Sure, they appear to be going out and doing fixing giant problems on a global scale. But I think Brian would want to know who's really in control?

Sure, Scott is sitting on his seat of power on new Utopia, but his speech balloons would certainly suggest it's The Phoenix talking. Brian has seen how power can corrupt, and that is one HELL of a power. It might be currently used for good deeds, but how long before The Phoenix gets bored, and that all changes.

In an ideal world The Avengers would send in a guy like Brian, to Parley. Or similar. But you just know that won't happen.

It would be interesting to read Wolverine and the X-Men 12 or 13 (I can't remember which), due to the previews showing a scene where Rachel is in total hound-mode, before being ambushed by a group of Avengers. Brian isn't there with them (iirc) but you would think he'd have strong feelings on that many Avengers ganging up on her.