NBA 2011-12 Season Thread

[Libaax]

If they're building for the future, sure. But if they're making another run at a title this season before the wheels fall off the Big 3, then I could maybe see the value of Paul for Rondo. Personally, I think their window is closed, but between Dallas' surprise win and the shortened season, I can see why Ainge might think he has a sliver of opportunity.

Allen is the one still playing at high level .

Dallas won because of their bench depth that helped with Barrea and co. Boston doesnt have heroic bench players like Dallas. That small forward/SG they got from Thunders or Jason Terry and Barrea come on ;)

CP3 and Rondo is too near in their overall ability to do Boston any good in long term even if they could get Paul.

Boston have no choice to build a new team. You cant dump the best assist player of last season who is a great rebounder,defender and who is younger than Paul. They need him most.

[kalorama]

Allen is the one still playing at high level .

He's also 36 years old and (if I'm not mistaken) in the last year of his contract.

Dallas won because of their bench depth that helped with Barrea and co. Boston doesnt have heroic bench players like Dallas. That small forward/SG they got from Thunders or Jason Terry and Barrea come on ;)

Well, as I didn't make anything resembling an actual comparison between Dallas and Boston's rosters, I'm not sure what your point is. Dallas won for a lot of reasons, but mostly they won because of Dirk Nowitzki.

CP3 and Rondo is too near in their overall ability to do Boston any good in long term even if they could get Paul.

Boston have no choice to build a new team. You cant dump the best assist player of last season who is a great rebounder,defender and who is younger than Paul. They need him most.

Rondo is a great player, but Boston's offense too often stalls, and with Garnett aging and Perkins gone, there's been defensive slippage. They need to shore at least one of them up. Paul is more adept at creating easy offensive opportunities than Rondo is. Not saying they should do it, but there are definite pluses to the idea, if the goal is to make a last run at a title.

[Libaax]

It sounded like you compared Dallas old team winning as something that might help Boston older players in the near future. Dallas are much more balanced team. Dirk was the special player but they had many heroic role players, scorers like Terry,Barrea.

I agree their offence stalls but how does it help removing their only great playermaker ? Pierce going one and one will help them when he becomes only slower and older ?

Ray Allen is old but he is very fit,great shooter. They need finder younger scorers,defenders and dump their one of the best PGs in NBA.

[Vic Vega]

For Boston, IMO Chris Paul would give them a significant upgrade on the offense, enough so that it would more than compensate for the decrease in the defense lost. Now this applies only when he is healthy.

Anyways, being a New Yorker I hope this trade doesn't happen

Although I would much prefer Dwight Howard because I'm pretty sure he's not going to stay in Orlando.

I'm a New Yorker also and I actually wouldn't mind it (Paul for Rondo), if it means I get Dwight Howard (who we need more than a CP3) or D-Will (who is nearly as good as CP3 is and can stay out of the damn hospital).

[PiratesPensSteelers]

I keep seeing references to Chris Paul being fragile. He hasn't missed that much time over his career. At least not to the extent where it looks like he has some sort of lingering health issue that creeps up over and over again.

He missed 18 games one year and almost half a year 2 seasons ago. Other than he's been on the court practically every night.

[kalorama]

It sounded like you compared Dallas old team winning as something that might help Boston older players in the near future.

I can't see how in the world Dallas winning a title in any way "helps" Boston do anything. What I said was that it might inspire confidence in Ainge that the Celtics could make one last run.

Dallas are much more balanced team. Dirk was the special player but they had many heroic role players, scorers like Terry,Barrea.

I didn't see a whole lot of "heroism" from either of those two. Both had some big games in the playoffs, but both also had some clunkers. And much of their production in the good games came as a result of playing off the defensive attention paid Nowitzki. Pretty much everything the Mavs do offensively flows from Nowitzki's presence on the floor.

I agree their offence stalls but how does it help removing their only great playermaker ?

By replacing him with an even greater one in Chris Paul. That is what we're talking about here, remember? The pros and cons of a Paul/Rondo swap.

[Huthaifa]

Honestly, I didn't even think about this, but this sounds like a much smarter idea.

The key will be keeping the defense intact with the new players.

How valuable would Ray Allen be to the Bulls? How valuable would KG be to Oklahoma or even Dallas?

[Cavemold]

How valuable would Ray Allen be to the Bulls? How valuable would KG be to Oklahoma or even Dallas?

The bulls would love to have ray on the team. They should give a 1st rounder and more for him, They would be championship favorites.

[kalorama]

How valuable would Ray Allen be to the Bulls? How valuable would KG be to Oklahoma or even Dallas?

The Bulls are a young team that really needs to add pieces to their core that are going to grow around Rose, not aging vets who are closer to the end than the beginning. I also think the Bulls really need someone at SG who can handle the ball and create some offense, as opposed to adding yet another player who's pretty much dependent on Rose to set him up (all the same reasons why I think Rip Hamilton would be a bad fit in Chi, as much as I want him gone from my Pistons). Unless he comes off the bench (which I can't see), Garnett would only makes sense in Dallas if they lose Tyson Chandler. But even then, it's an iffy proposition, because they'd have to start him at C, which means he'd take a lot of pounding that his body may not be able to hold up to over the whole season. Similar issues in Oklahoma. They could start him over Ibaka at C, but I'm not sure that's the best use for him.

[Tadhg]

The bulls would love to have ray on the team. They should give a 1st rounder and more for him, They would be championship favorites.

The bulls don't have the pieces to trade for Ray.

[Cavemold]

The bulls don't have the pieces to trade for Ray.

Sue they do. They can trade picks and a few players with cash.

[Cavemold]

The Bulls are a young team that really needs to add pieces to their core that are going to grow around Rose, not aging vets who are closer to the end than the beginning. I also think the Bulls really need someone at SG who can handle the ball and create some offense, as opposed to adding yet another player who's pretty much dependent on Rose to set him up (all the same reasons why I think Rip Hamilton would be a bad fit in Chi, as much as I want him gone from my Pistons). Unless he comes off the bench (which I can't see), Garnett would only makes sense in Dallas if they lose Tyson Chandler. But even then, it's an iffy proposition, because they'd have to start him at C, which means he'd take a lot of pounding that his body may not be able to hold up to over the whole season. Similar issues in Oklahoma. They could start him over Ibaka at C, but I'm not sure that's the best use for him.

For a one year deal yea they could use him to win a ring.

[PiratesPensSteelers]

If I'm the Bulls, I'm highly considering Jason Richardson if FA is the venue you're going to use to get a SG.

[kalorama]

For a one year deal yea they could use him to win a ring.

Well, that presumes he'd put them over the op. Clearly, I'm not presuming that.

[Tadhg]

Sue they do. They can trade picks and a few players with cash.

Not really. Who would they be willing to trade that Boston would remotely want?