NBA 2011-12 Season Thread

[Jabare]

Skip arguing that Lebron isn't a first round HoFer, how does this man still surprise me. I posted this on another forum

Lebron will pass 20,000 points, 5,000 boards, 5,000 assists, 2,000 steals, and 600 blocks after next season

it will be his 10,th season, he will be only 28

if you don't believe he'll be a first round HOFer on stats alone you are mentally fucking retarded.

Skip Bayless is an ignoramus of the highest level. Last year he really pushed it over the edge, and I just can't watch First Take anymore. Its almost completely sensationalized now where he makes egregious statements he doesn't really believe.

[BYC]

More about the Hall of Fame and the balloting.

http://nbalegacy.blogspot.com/2011/0...a-players.html

[Kasper Cole]

When exactly did this over emphasis on rings when judging individual players begin?

[Hiromi]

I promise you he will not surpass Kareem in points. His game will NOT age well

You're being short sighted. Look at the facts

Lebron is currently 19342 points behind Kareem at the age of 27. He averages roughly 2200 points in a full season plus or minus 1-200. If he maintains that without serious injury or strike shortened years he'd surpass Kareem 9 seasons from now, he'd be 36.

Couple other things
1. It cannot be stated enough that he is only 27, biologically speaking he is just now entering his physical prime
2. He is an incredible physical specimen and he keeps himself in peak condition, he was in incredible shape at the start of this season while many had allowed themselves to fall out of shape. This means he will age well, and he is less likely to face serious injury.
3. He already has a decent to good jump shot from short, medium, and 3 point range. He has a high basketball IQ and has shown he is capable of improving his game, as he did with his post game over the last two years. He is fully capable of changing his play style just like Jordan and Kobe did as they got older to favor the medium range jump shot/post game.

Its by no means a sure thing, as a record like that pretty much requires a near perfect career(MJ would very likely have broken Kareem's record had he not missed his second season to injury and the first two retirements), but he has a perfectly legitimate chance of passing Kareem, especially if he plays into his late 30s/early 40s.

[jesse_custer]

If LeBron James had a career-ending injury tomorrow, I wouldn't put him in the Hall of Fame. And I say this as someone who liked him during the Decision. I've always liked LeBron James. So I think the entertainment-first Skip Bayless has a decent point here, as he sometimes does.

At the same time, I think this Hall of Fame question is silly, given that James is nowhere near the end of his career. It's incredibly likely that when his career is over, he will be a cinch for the Hall.

[Hiromi]

This year? Its iffy, he'll still be a 3 time MVP(assumedly) with a very large collection of awards to his name. After next year? Forget about it, he'll have all those awards as well as being in the 20k 5k 5k club and unless I'm extremely mistaken he'd have reached it faster than the other 10 or 11 players who'd made it. So far the list of people who've made it

Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Larry Bird
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Clyde Drexler
Gary Payton
John Havlicek
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnet

unless I'm forgetting someone.

[jesse_custer]

If he wins a championship this year, and especially if he gets a Finals MVP, he gets in, no question.

[Cavemold]

You're being short sighted. Look at the facts

Lebron is currently 19342 points behind Kareem at the age of 27. He averages roughly 2200 points in a full season plus or minus 1-200. If he maintains that without serious injury or strike shortened years he'd surpass Kareem 9 seasons from now, he'd be 36.

Couple other things
1. It cannot be stated enough that he is only 27, biologically speaking he is just now entering his physical prime
2. He is an incredible physical specimen and he keeps himself in peak condition, he was in incredible shape at the start of this season while many had allowed themselves to fall out of shape. This means he will age well, and he is less likely to face serious injury.
3. He already has a decent to good jump shot from short, medium, and 3 point range. He has a high basketball IQ and has shown he is capable of improving his game, as he did with his post game over the last two years. He is fully capable of changing his play style just like Jordan and Kobe did as they got older to favor the medium range jump shot/post game.

Its by no means a sure thing, as a record like that pretty much requires a near perfect career(MJ would very likely have broken Kareem's record had he not missed his second season to injury and the first two retirements), but he has a perfectly legitimate chance of passing Kareem, especially if he plays into his late 30s/early 40s.

Lebron has no post game. none. His athleticsm will dwindle down. He will not be getting so many fast break points . Driving to the rim will be much harder on his body.

[Cavemold]

If he wins a championship this year, and especially if he gets a Finals MVP, he gets in, no question.

Yea that's were I'm at .


Side note the thunder are getting better.

[Hiromi]

Lebron has no post game. none.

Someone might want to tell Ron Brewer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0zKVrH15w

Seriously, have you watched the Heat at all this year? His post game has been night and day compared to his years with the Cavs. i already addressed the other part, not that it matters as it'll be a good while before his body starts slowing down assuming he doesn't just let himself go.

[BYC]

His post game isn't really good, but nowadays very few players have a good post game.

[Jabare]

Lebron has no post game. none. His athleticsm will dwindle down. He will not be getting so many fast break points . Driving to the rim will be much harder on his body.

Lebron's post game is pretty good this year.

You act like this man is 50. He is 27 years old. Eating right and taking care of his body the man has several good years ahead of him. Even when he is Kobe's age he will be a good player. Not as good but still a good player

[Cavemold]

His post game isn't really good, but nowadays very few players have a good post game.

Thank you . True ......

[Cavemold]

Lebron's post game is pretty good this year.

You act like this man is 50. He is 27 years old. Eating right and taking care of his body the man has several good years ahead of him. Even when he is Kobe's age he will be a good player. Not as good but still a good player

Have you seen his hairline????

[Vibranium]

Have you seen his hairline????

and? I knew people what were going bald in HS

and Lebron, Shmebron.....the Thunder are the story of this playoffs