NBA 2011-12 Season Thread

[EZMOHR]

Like hell you didn't. I refuse to believe that that scheme wasn't a long term plan. And even if it wasn't, it's all kicked off by drafting Wade at the 5-spot, which was a fantastic choice, given that he's the only guy in the first five picks of that draft other than Darko to have a ring.



Dallas? The team with the owner who's been more than willing to spend spend spend if it gets wins?



They tanked to get Duncan and pair him up with David Robinson, which seems like a relevant detail, if we're on this whole morals in sports business kick.



The funny thing is, if I recall, the US sport with the most parity has over the past couple decades(Going back to the 00's) has been Baseball, and the MLB doesn't have a cap.

The Spurs didn't tank that season...they sucked all on their own. David Robinson was out the whole season, and Sean Elliot was almost as well. Hell, they were relying on a 37-year old HUman Highlight Film, Carl Herrera, and Vinny Del Negro being their best players. There was no tanking, just sucking.

Anyway, Why would the Knicks want Chris Paul. They have no toughness right now as it is. You don't get tougher with Chris Paul. You get tougher with Dwight Howard. The Knicks need bigger bodies that can rebound, not big bodies that don't want to play D, nor do they need little guys that have been hurt a lot in the last two years.

Anyway, can't wait for my team to get the Tebow NBA treatment with Jimmer this season. That's gonna be the most epic 8.5, 3.2, 2.7 every night on ESPN.

[Ari Gold]

Anyway, can't wait for my team to get the Tebow NBA treatment with Jimmer this season. That's gonna be the most epic 8.5, 3.2, 2.7 every night on ESPN.

Honestly, I have no idea what team drafted Jimmer, but I don't see him getting the Tebow treatment at all.

I see him more closely related to Adam Morrison.

[Ari Gold]

Are we sure the Knicks with Paul are getting past the first round of the playoffs?

They can probably beat the Magic, right?
But won't the series be great in the Eastern Conf. after the first round (MIA, CHI, BOS, NYK)? What NBA fan wouldn't be watching every game?

[EZMOHR]

Honestly, I have no idea what team drafted Jimmer, but I don't see him getting the Tebow treatment at all.

I see him more closely related to Adam Morrison.

Uhm, he's better than Adam Morrison. By a mile. Better shooter and distributor. MOrrison was a one trick pony. JImmer (Sacramento by the way) while not a just knock your socks off talent, is decent and can play some PG when asked.

But, the reason he'll get the Tebow treatment is because, well he's got that Great White Hope Factor that the NBA and ESPN loves to exploit. Bank on it, he'll be the NBA's Tebow.

[EZMOHR]

Are we sure the Knicks with Paul are getting past the first round of the playoffs?

They can probably beat the Magic, right?
But won't the series be great in the Eastern Conf. after the first round (MIA, CHI, BOS, NYK)? What NBA fan wouldn't be watching every game?

Well, every person East of the Missisippi will. People who like basketball will be watching the Western Confrence playoffs.

[The Once And Forever]

Uhm, he's better than Adam Morrison. By a mile. Better shooter and distributor. MOrrison was a one trick pony. JImmer (Sacramento by the way) while not a just knock your socks off talent, is decent and can play some PG when asked.

But, the reason he'll get the Tebow treatment is because, well he's got that Great White Hope Factor that the NBA and ESPN loves to exploit. Bank on it, he'll be the NBA's Tebow.

That doesn't really make sense, given that the QB(and prominent face) of the currently undefeated and defending world champion team(that has a widespread fanbase) is white.

Tebow's thing is that he wins despite himself so many times. Jimmer's game doesn't translate like that, he's got amazing skill, minus the athleticism, Tebow's the exact opposite.

[Ari Gold]

Tebow's thing is that he wins despite himself so many times. Jimmer's game doesn't translate like that, he's got amazing skill, minus the athleticism, Tebow's the exact opposite.

Well, Tebow's thing is also that he won the National Championship multiple times in college and that he was controversially drafted more highly than anticipated.

I don't think Jimmer matches that storyline, he really only cracked the national scene this past year (at least that's when I first took notice) and didn't have the accomplished college career that Tebow had. So I don't think there will be an ESPN storyline unless Jimmer busts out in the NBA and actually wins games. Tebow would be a national story if he was 5-1 this season or 1-5.

[The Once And Forever]

Well, Tebow's thing is also that he won the National Championship multiple times in college and that he was controversially drafted more highly than anticipated.

I don't think Jimmer matches that storyline, he really only cracked the national scene this past year (at least that's when I first took notice) and didn't have the accomplished college career that Tebow had. So I don't think there will be an ESPN storyline unless Jimmer busts out in the NBA and actually wins games. Tebow would be a national story if he was 5-1 this season or 1-5.

That's what I mean though, it isn't like Tebow was a great passer in College either, but he was a winner there, and he's proving to be a winner in the NFL.

Jimmer's just got mad skill, enough to give BYU the boost it would have needed to make some noise during March(If it weren't for that code of honor...). If he gives Sacramento that same boost, it's just because he's a great player with great skills, not that he's an okay player thanks to a good build with bad skills who, by dint of amazing intangibles, wins anyway.

[EZMOHR]

Part of Tebow's unspoken (because your a racist if you say it...trust me, I've been told that) is that he plays to the stereotypes of "a black QB." We know the stereotype. It's been there awhile. People want to compare him to whom exactly...Vick. Young. Newton. He's nothing like those guys (Even Young is a better passer.) Yet, his appeal, unspoken, is that he's a clean cut WHITE kid, that plays like the stereotype we have for a black QB. It is a great White Hope Story spun a different way.

The NBA has been looking for the next Larry Legend for a looooooonnnggg time. He was the Great White Hope, and the NBA wants another. It's not Dirk, because, well, he ain't American. But, if your a great white baller in the NCAA, and you get drafted, you are built up to be the next bird. It was Van Horn for awhile. Then Wally's World even shorter. Then Adam Morrison. Now, it's Jimmer's turn.

And, I forgive you guys, because you are not from my neck of the woods, but Jimmer Fredette, without stepping on the court, is Sacramento. Not the team. HE IS FREAKING SACRAMENTO RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT. Not Tyreke Evans. Not DeMarcus Cousins. JIMMER. Jimmer's job isn't just to be an NBA player, it is too make sure that a metro area of 800,000+ people doesn't lose an NBA franchise. Jimmer Fredette is the Sacramento Kings right now. Like it or not...the guy is the NBA's Tebow. He's hyped to messianic qualities, and that is all there is to it. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it doesn't make it less fact.

[EZMOHR]

That's what I mean though, it isn't like Tebow was a great passer in College either, but he was a winner there, and he's proving to be a winner in the NFL.

Jimmer's just got mad skill, enough to give BYU the boost it would have needed to make some noise during March(If it weren't for that code of honor...). If he gives Sacramento that same boost, it's just because he's a great player with great skills, not that he's an okay player thanks to a good build with bad skills who, by dint of amazing intangibles, wins anyway.

Jimmer doesn't have mad skills. He's good, not great. He's not a great shooter by any stretch of the immagination. He's not a great defender either. He's an average NBA talent. Not below. Not above. Yet, he has those "intangibles" that Tebow has.

His boost to Sacramento, currently, in all northern CA. media is to save the Kings from the dreaded SoCal scourge. PERIOD. Jimmer is treated as more than a player in Sacramento at the moment.

[Ari Gold]

Part of Tebow's unspoken (because your a racist if you say it...trust me, I've been told that) is that he plays to the stereotypes of "a black QB." We know the stereotype. It's been there awhile. People want to compare him to whom exactly...Vick. Young. Newton. He's nothing like those guys (Even Young is a better passer.)

Come back to me when Tebow throws 4 interceptions in a game.

It's funny, because I think the Tebow to VY comparison is a perfect one, and I spent many, many seasons destroying Vince Young, yet having actually watched Tebow's games I've started to question if my VY-hate was justified.

No doubt in order for Tebow to be successful long-term he's gotta learn to be a better QB (i.e. become more accurate passing the ball) but he is managing the game and not producing turnovers, and the Broncos aren't winning despite Tebow the way the Titans had to overcome Young's weaknesses.

Wait, which thread am I in again?

It is a great White Hope Story spun a different way.

I love discussing race in sports, I just don't think Tebow at all meets the criteria. Peyton Manning & Tom Brady & Aaron Rodgers & Drew Brees are the Great White Hope, Tebow certainly follows some of those lines in being clean-cut and polite, but the NFL isn't lacking representation in the white QBs department.

[EZMOHR]

Tebow is the first hugely over white QB that plays like the stereo type black QB. It's more about the athletic part than being a black QB. Tom Brady is a statue. I can outrun Manning's plural. Aaron Rogers is lanky as hell, and Drew Brees is a midget. None of those guys are considered an "athlete" It's not the first thing said about them.

Yet, Tebow, is just as athletic in a unique way as Randall Cunningham. As VY. As Vick. As Cam Newton. It's more of a Tebow is a runner at QB just as good as those guys. The NFL has not had a white QB with this much pub that is a black QB in a stereotypical way. WHy do you think panties were getting wet over Peyton Hillis last year. White guy playing in an un-white position, in an un-white way. Tebow is the same thing as an athletic QB

To be fair, I think Tony Romo is the more accurate description of the white QB as black QB mode. He's more athletic than 3/4's of the starting QB's in the NFL (including Tebow. Hell, including VY at the moment.) He runs, he scrambles, and he's a better passer. Romo is the currently, with Newton being a human INT machine, and Vick sittting the pine, the most consistent athletic QB in the league. Yikes.

Okay, enoght NFL on the NBA thread. :)

[The Once And Forever]

Part of Tebow's unspoken (because your a racist if you say it...trust me, I've been told that) is that he plays to the stereotypes of "a black QB." We know the stereotype. It's been there awhile. People want to compare him to whom exactly...Vick. Young. Newton. He's nothing like those guys (Even Young is a better passer.) Yet, his appeal, unspoken, is that he's a clean cut WHITE kid, that plays like the stereotype we have for a black QB. It is a great White Hope Story spun a different way.

The NBA has been looking for the next Larry Legend for a looooooonnnggg time. He was the Great White Hope, and the NBA wants another. It's not Dirk, because, well, he ain't American. But, if your a great white baller in the NCAA, and you get drafted, you are built up to be the next bird. It was Van Horn for awhile. Then Wally's World even shorter. Then Adam Morrison. Now, it's Jimmer's turn.

And, I forgive you guys, because you are not from my neck of the woods, but Jimmer Fredette, without stepping on the court, is Sacramento. Not the team. HE IS FREAKING SACRAMENTO RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT. Not Tyreke Evans. Not DeMarcus Cousins. JIMMER. Jimmer's job isn't just to be an NBA player, it is too make sure that a metro area of 800,000+ people doesn't lose an NBA franchise. Jimmer Fredette is the Sacramento Kings right now. Like it or not...the guy is the NBA's Tebow. He's hyped to messianic qualities, and that is all there is to it. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it doesn't make it less fact.

To be honest, I never thought of the race thing, because as Kylun mentioned, the NFL doesn't lack for successful White QBs the same way that the NBA lacks for Star White Players. As far as the hype train, I've not seen it, and ESPN freaking loops, not only in my room, but anywhere on campus that has a TV.

The local thing is something I'll take your word on. Though I believe you, because two years ago Indianapolis wanted to do the same thing with Gordon Hayward.

Wonder if they'll do it for Marquis Teague next year? Hah, doubt it, but we'll see.

Jimmer doesn't have mad skills. He's good, not great. He's not a great shooter by any stretch of the immagination. He's not a great defender either. He's an average NBA talent. Not below. Not above. Yet, he has those "intangibles" that Tebow has.

His boost to Sacramento, currently, in all northern CA. media is to save the Kings from the dreaded SoCal scourge. PERIOD. Jimmer is treated as more than a player in Sacramento at the moment.

The main "intangible" Tebow has is winning. Jimmer didn't win. He scored, in bunches, from beyond 3PT range, left hand, right hand, inside, outside. Watch those games, yeah, he's a gunner, but he can get it in the hoop.

But he's white, so it isn't a bad thing, somehow. I did wonder if, back in '95, Allen Iverson took some small school like...Long Beach State, or something to the Big Dance on his volume scoring, if he'd have gotten the same media treatment.

[Ari Gold]

WHy do you think panties were getting wet over Peyton Hillis last year. White guy playing in an un-white position, in an un-white way. Tebow is the same thing as an athletic QB

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Okay, enough NFL on the NBA thread. :)

k, I'm gonna take my response over to the NFL thread.

[PiratesPensSteelers]

Christ. Tebow in an NBA thread. No more of that please. I don't have the stomach.