Here is the way I look at Rondo vs. someone like Chris Paul, using a previous NBA player as analogies:
Rondo = a modern-day K.C. Jones (defensive-minded, pass-first complementary/role player)
Paul = a modern-day Isiah Thomas (dynamic scorer and distributor, and equally adept at balancing both roles)
In a vacuum with all things being equal, Jones could be a liability because of his limited skills on offense. In the context of Boston's teams in the 1960s, Jones was perfect to set up guys like Bill Russell, John Havlicek and Sam Jones.
With Thomas, his skill level was such that not only could he be the main cog for a team but he had the ability to integrate that role into a team with other standout players. In a vacuum or in the context of a team, Thomas was equally effective with little to no drop-off and did it at a high level.
Last edited by Mic Murphy; 03-20-2012 at 12:33 PM.
They were there to honor Chris Mullin.
Besides, has that guy even owned the Warriors for a whole year yet?
He is far from being the author of thier misery.
So you ruin Mullin's ceremony to vent at a guy whose owned the team all of what 15 months (i really don't know)?
Stay classy S-F.
And to be fair, the Celtics this season have suffered a lot of injuries. Rondo himself didn't play for a stretch.
Last edited by jesse_custer; 03-20-2012 at 12:46 PM.
if it was Philly, they would have been throwing batteries
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All this, defending a complementary player whose main job description has been playing off three former perennial all-stars. A complementary player, I might add, WHO IS NOT THE LEADER OF HIS TEAM.
BTW, another scoring point guard whose team won the NBA title was Gus Williams (1978-79, Seatlle).
Last edited by Mic Murphy; 03-20-2012 at 12:54 PM.
Th spurs just whooped on the heavily favored thunder..... Tony had a monster game.
The issue is going to be the same with all teams, and that's namely the personnel with and around the player and how well those players mesh. Yeah, a team can win a championship with the likes of Chris Paul, Derrick Rose and Deron Williams as the centerpiece of a team -- all three of them are exceptional scorers, very unselfish players who can get other players involved and seem to be coachable players. But the question is going to be is what is around them (which really is no different than any other player, to a certain degree). Paul and Williams in particular have shown their production will be the same on a good team or a losing team.
The argument about Rajon Rondo is that not only is his team success dependent on the other players around him, but the effectiveness of his play is dependent upon other players. You also cannot ignore the fact that Rondo's effectiveness has been playing off three perennial all-star players and then Rondo chipping in. Paul, Rose and Williams have shown that they can be the focal point on teams that have and can make the playoffs. Moreover, Rondo has never shown a skill set that you would want him to be anything more than a complementary player on a playoff-caliber team.
Chicago's biggest problem is that it lacks a quality shooting guard to give Rose help on the perimeter. If Atlanta had not grossly overpaid Joe Johnson, he would have been the perfect free agent to have added in the summer of 2010. Instead, Chicago had a spare part in Keith Bogans playing shooting guard and it allowed Miami to gang up on Rose in the East finals. Now, the team has a way-past-his-prime Rip Hamilton (that is, when he plays) at the position.
Williams is on a bad team in New Jersey, but he showed in Utah that when paired with a borderline all-star level player (Carlos Boozer) and some quality complementary players those teams can do well. Those Jazz teams from 2006 through 2010 typically were 50-game winners and played in the 2006 Western Conference finals.
Paul put up an MVP-worthy season in 2007-08 when he led New Orleans to 56 wins and 49 wins in 2008-09. David West and Tyson Chandler in particular thrived and blossomed playing with Paul. We've also seen how the Clippers have become a playoff-caliber team with adding Paul to play alongside Blake Griffin.
So I'm not seeing the argument that states or implies that a championship caliber team cannot be built around these three. There is nothing about their skill sets or approaches that revealed that Paul, Rose and Williams are difficult players around whom to build a championship contender with them as the best or second-best player on the team.
Last edited by Mic Murphy; 03-20-2012 at 03:59 PM.
Rajon Rondo has shown signs of being soft as well. His play late in games is usually very bad. He avoids driving, he avoids handling the ball, and he certainly avoids shooting. All of these things seem to occur from his terrible free throw shooting. He also has a tendency to alter his shots and body movement when he is taking a shot late to avoid being fouled. Derrick Rose appears to be in his head as every time they match up, Rondo has a bad game.
It's even more unrealistic when Boston didn't seem like it wanted to move one of its Big 3 with an expiring contract (Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen) in such a deal, even though the team knows it is going to need to do a rebuilding effort soon. Boston should have aimed lower for a promising young player and offered an expiring contract along with Rondo (for instance, John Wall for Rondo + Allen) and hoped a team bit on it.
Last edited by Mic Murphy; 03-20-2012 at 03:05 PM.
Another realistic consideration would be Toronto's DeMar DeRozan and Jose Calderon for Rondo + Allen's expiring contract. DeRozan is a very versatile young athlete. Calderon has been among the league leaders in assists the past few years and while he will make $10 million in 2012-13, it's the final year of his contract.
Another realistic trade would be Utah's Devin Harris, Paul Milsap and one of Utah's lottery picks for Rondo + Allen's expiring contract. With Derrick Favors on board, you have to figure that Milsap will be the odd man out as Favors continues to develop. Harris has been a disappointment this season, but he can be a quality point guard when his head is screwed on straight.
Last edited by Mic Murphy; 03-20-2012 at 03:56 PM.