I miss the pre-Flashpoint DCU

[Buried Alien]

That's why I was excited by it in the first place. That great "fresh" feeling we had back in 1986 and all. But I am not sure it's been handled as well as it could be.

Probably not, but...you know, it never is.

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[chastmastr]

Well, to be fair, though, that was all retcon stuff trying to show pre-Parallax Hal as being more ruthless than he'd been depicted as being before. The whole "Hal becomes evil" thing being finally gone, big yellow bug or not, was something I was glad to see.

[AugustEngine]

Yeah, he got distressingly close to character depth.

[Buried Alien]

Well, to be fair, though, that was all retcon stuff trying to show pre-Parallax Hal as being more ruthless than he'd been depicted as being before. The whole "Hal becomes evil" thing being finally gone, big yellow bug or not, was something I was glad to see.

I wonder if Hal used the ring to disintegrate alien monsters back during the Silver Age.

I know he did that to at least one monster (the so-called "Chiller Diller"), but he created that one with his own ring.



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[AugustEngine]

I wonder if Hal used the ring to disintegrate alien monsters back during the Silver Age.

No. According to that one guy, Hal was all about aliens.

[Hulk_Is]

I miss it too (as a Marvel fan). Just when I thought I was getting a handle on the old universe, DC up and pulls a switcheroo (on me).

I don't dig the new-U all that much because the suits are kind of dumb and I have to suspend my disbelief too much. I mean:

- Superman can crush a pistol and everyones in awe. wtf??? All that anyone has to do is "google" images of the DCU and I guarantee that you'll see most images of the characters doing things absolutely more astounding than crushing a pistol. Juggling planets more likely.

- Wonder Woman has never tasted Ice Cream before. :herptyderp:

- Hal Jordan acts like a young punk kid from the bubblegum 90's. wth???

Yeah, DC doesn't know what to do with their characters and needs Marvel/Disney's assistance pronto.

[Jake V]

Yeah, DC doesn't know what to do with their characters and needs Marvel/Disney's assistance pronto.

What would Marvel help them with? Canceling comics? Firing editors? Putting all their eggs into either the Avengers, X-Men, or Spider-Man baskets?

[thwhtGuardian]

It doesn't really seem all that different to me, good stories are being told and atthe end of the day that's all that matters.

[Hulk_Is]

What would Marvel help them with? Canceling comics? Firing editors? Putting all their eggs into either the Avengers, X-Men, or Spider-Man baskets?

Marvel would have eased fans into the transistion like they are currently doing. Giving all fans generous jumping-on points with new #1's and .1's among other things and allowing the entire planet to be on the same page during the Avengers movie.

DC just said, "Screw our old fans and the old guard, the money is in the kids. Let's turn our backs now start from the beginning because the old DCU was such crap and losing us money, we need to act fast no matter who it hurts."

At least Marvel cares about it's fans (although it's fans hate Marvel :rollseyes:). Dc just care about money, which is cool because they've currently nailed the right audience for that.

[MFitzH2O]

Booster Gold. I miss the series. (Though, to be honest, I can't believe it lasted as long as it did...)

[chastmastr]

Yeah, he got distressingly close to character depth.

I didn't think the whole "Hal becomes evil" thing was character depth. (I did think, despite thinking the basic idea silly originally, that the DeMatteis Hal Spectre series was fantastic and did a great job with character depth, but DeMatteis usually does.)

- Superman can crush a pistol and everyones in awe. wtf??? All that anyone has to do is "google" images of the DCU and I guarantee that you'll see most images of the characters doing things absolutely more astounding than crushing a pistol.

I don't know if you're being funny here or not, but to be fair, Superman and GL are supposed to be very new to the populace, and young themselves, at least in Action and JLA -- ditto Wonder Woman and the ice cream.

DC just said, "Screw our old fans and the old guard, the money is in the kids. Let's turn our backs now start from the beginning because the old DCU was such crap and losing us money, we need to act fast no matter who it hurts."

Actually, I was hoping the new DCU would have been thinking in terms of "the kids," but it's not. I think it's aimed at the pre-existing 30/40-something comics fans who weren't reading DC very much. If it were, say, aimed at the younger folks who mainly knew the characters from Teen Titans, Brave and the Bold, and Young Justice, and were getting old enough for more complex storytelling (but with the same "classic DCU" sensibility which has made those shows popular--just updated for the 21st century), that would have been fantastic, and it's much more what I was expecting. Alas, it's not what we got, at least for sizable chunks of the new DCU.

[ForEverAncien]

Not too long ago, a similar company did the same thing...and moved on with a change to their flagship product.

It left that community split down the middle. Although a third party did pick up the mantle and carried on with a slightly altered verison of that 'FS product'' to help accomdate the overall community. It became quiet apparent, that the reworked from the 3rd party (who has overtaken the market share recently of said product) proved to be a hit down the road.

But the community is still splited. But that market is small in comparsion to comics.

But the same premise holds. As the bolden quote is highlighted. A lot of companies will do that, just to increase their market share, even hurting those who have given their time and money for so long.

Customer loyalty is a thing of the past...now, it is just about the numbers and $$$.

Marvel would have eased fans into the transistion like they are currently doing. Giving all fans generous jumping-on points with new #1's and .1's among other things and allowing the entire planet to be on the same page during the Avengers movie.

DC just said, "Screw our old fans and the old guard, the money is in the kids. Let's turn our backs now start from the beginning because the old DCU was such crap and losing us money, we need to act fast no matter who it hurts."

At least Marvel cares about it's fans (although it's fans hate Marvel :rollseyes:). Dc just care about money, which is cool because they've currently nailed the right audience for that.

[ForEverAncien]

In this day and age...kids don't have free cash on a constant basis. And has anyone here, seen a kid spend 40 to 80 dollars, per week? They are not marketable, but can primed by other products connected to the comics, to buy them later, when they have a steady job later.

I didn't think the whole "Hal becomes evil" thing was character depth. (I did think, despite thinking the basic idea silly originally, that the DeMatteis Hal Spectre series was fantastic and did a great job with character depth, but DeMatteis usually does.)



I don't know if you're being funny here or not, but to be fair, Superman and GL are supposed to be very new to the populace, and young themselves, at least in Action and JLA -- ditto Wonder Woman and the ice cream.



Actually, I was hoping the new DCU would have been thinking in terms of "the kids," but it's not. I think it's aimed at the pre-existing 30/40-something comics fans who weren't reading DC very much. If it were, say, aimed at the younger folks who mainly knew the characters from Teen Titans, Brave and the Bold, and Young Justice, and were getting old enough for more complex storytelling (but with the same "classic DCU" sensibility which has made those shows popular--just updated for the 21st century), that would have been fantastic, and it's much more what I was expecting. Alas, it's not what we got, at least for sizable chunks of the new DCU.

[suss2it]

Marvel would have eased fans into the transistion like they are currently doing. Giving all fans generous jumping-on points with new #1's and .1's among other things and allowing the entire planet to be on the same page during the Avengers movie.

DC just said, "Screw our old fans and the old guard, the money is in the kids. Let's turn our backs now start from the beginning because the old DCU was such crap and losing us money, we need to act fast no matter who it hurts."

At least Marvel cares about it's fans (although it's fans hate Marvel :rollseyes:). Dc just care about money, which is cool because they've currently nailed the right audience for that.

It's 2011 and Marvel vs. DC nonsense is still going on? And lol at you actually thinking that Marvel/Disney don't care about money as much as DC/Warner do.

[Lunar Archivist]

I miss the pre-Dan DiDio DC Universe.