Penn State Scandal

[DonC]

and now to see if the NCAA investigates the athletic program, seeing if anyone there knew and didn't say anything or tried to cover it up

Doubtful. Sandusky may have worked for Penn State, but as far as I know all of the molestations occurred at his Second Mile camp. I don't know that the NCAA would have any jurisdiction over the case. Even if they did, Sandusky molesting kids didn't effect the athletic program in any way. As messed up as it may sound, since what Sandusky did didn't give Penn State any competitive advantage, it's doubtful the NCAA would issue any stiff penalties.

This, really, is beyond college athletics and I think the NCAA would recognize that and stay away. Especially with Sandusky being convicted.

[Vibranium]

Doubtful. Sandusky may have worked for Penn State, but as far as I know all of the molestations occurred at his Second Mile camp. I don't know that the NCAA would have any jurisdiction over the case.

considering the former athletic director is being charged for perjury and failure to report a crime, the NCAA could make a run at a lack of institutional control

[Spike-X]

Doubtful. Sandusky may have worked for Penn State, but as far as I know all of the molestations occurred at his Second Mile camp. I don't know that the NCAA would have any jurisdiction over the case. Even if they did, Sandusky molesting kids didn't effect the athletic program in any way. As messed up as it may sound, since what Sandusky did didn't give Penn State any competitive advantage, it's doubtful the NCAA would issue any stiff penalties.

This, really, is beyond college athletics and I think the NCAA would recognize that and stay away. Especially with Sandusky being convicted.

It's a police matter, end of story. We've seen what happens when private organisations are left to their own devices to investigate things like this.

[DonC]

considering the former athletic director is being charged for perjury and failure to report a crime, the NCAA could make a run at a lack of institutional control

Like I said, I think the NCAA will recognize that this is beyond football and not something they should be messing with.

[Vibranium]

It's a police matter, end of story. We've seen what happens when private organisations are left to their own devices to investigate things like this.

over the past two years the NCAA has stripped Reggie Bush of the Heisman trophy, levied serious sanctions against USC including a postseason ban last year, and not to mention the recent postseason ban of UCONN (basketaball)....so what are you referring to?

Like I said, I think the NCAA will recognize that this is beyond football and not something they should be messing with.

it is beyond football, if the charges stick, the guy who is supposed to be the leader of the PSU athletic department knew of a crime being committed, failed to report it, and also lied to authorities or failed to disclose that information to authorities...the assumption can be made that, that mindset has permeated the athletic department thus causing a lack/disregard of institutional control....which directly affects the leadership in athletics as a whole

and in that light, the NCAA could conduct an investigation

[DonC]

This is an entirely different animal. This was dozens of off-campus crimes committed by someone who happened to work for Penn State. Being allegedly covered up by people who also happened to work there. However, if a crime did happen then it should be taken care of by the law, not the NCAA.

[FanboyStranger]

I have little doubt that NCAA will investigate, but as others have pointed out, this isn't really the NCAA's jurisdiction. It also gets knottier since the charges that Sandusky was found not guilty on were those contingent on Mike MacQuery's testimony, which also casts doubt on whether Schultz and Curley's perjury trials will go as scheduled.

[Vibranium]

This is an entirely different animal. This was dozens of off-campus crimes committed by someone who happened to work for Penn State. Being allegedly covered up by people who also happened to work there. However, if a crime did happen then it should be taken care of by the law, not the NCAA.

I agree, I think you miss my point....the legal proceedings should handle things first but once concluded, IMO the NCAA should investigate to see if there is anything that violates their bylaws...they had even stated before the Sandusky trial began that they would wait until all the legal matters were resolved before deciding to investigate

[DonC]

Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense on the NCAA's part.

[Vibranium]

and I think the trial of the former AD and Vice President will be much more revealing as to how this cover up was maintained for so long

[mikekerrIII]

This is an entirely different animal. This was dozens of off-campus crimes committed by someone who happened to work for Penn State. Being allegedly covered up by people who also happened to work there. However, if a crime did happen then it should be taken care of by the law, not the NCAA.

All the crines did not hapopen off campus,the one Joe P.got in trouble for happened university property under the control to the athletic division.

[7thangel]

Sandusky e-mails revealed

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...ycandiotti.cnn

Joe Paterno influenced Penn State officials to keep quiet about Jerry Sandusky, emails reveal

Newly uncovered emails in the Jerry Sandusky case show that Penn State officials were on the verge of blowing the whistle on him -- but changed their minds after talking to coach Joe Paterno.

The missives, obtained by CNN, seemingly contradict the late Paterno's claim that he alerted higher-ups to a report of Sandusky showering with a boy and had nothing to do with the matter after that.

They could also spell trouble for a trio of university bigwigs: Athletic Director Tom Curley and Senior Vice President Gary Schultz, who have been charged with perjury, and former college president Graham Spanier, who was forced to resign after the scandal broke.

Tom Kline, a lawyer for one of the molestation victims, called the emails "shocking" and told CNN they showed a "concerted, conscious, collaborative effort" to keep Sandusky's crimes a secret from authorities.

The emails were sent in 2001, two weeks after assistant coach Mike McQueary found Sandusky and a boy in a shower - and three years after another shower incident.

They reveal that Penn State administrators planned to alert Sandusky's Second Mile charity and the state Department of Public Welfare, but dropped that idea after consulting with Paterno.

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps," Curley wrote to Schultz and Spanier.

The officials even acknowledged in the emails that not raising the red flag about Sandusky's conduct could land them in hot water "down the road."

But Curley expressed support for getting "professional help" for the defensive coordinator.

"I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," he reportedly wrote.

Spanier said he was "supportive" of that approach, according to CNN.

"The only downside for us is if the message isn't heard and acted upon and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it," he wrote presciently.

Penn State never reported the troubling allegations to law enforcement. The emails seem to contradict Curley's claim he didn't know about the 1998 shower incident, since he appears to refer to it. They also fly in the face of Paterno's claim that he wasn't involved in a coverup. The legendary Nittany Lions coach, who was fired after the allegations became public, died of lung cancer in January.

Sandusky was convicted last week of abusing 10 boys for years. His adopted son has since come forward to say he was repeatedly molested, starting when he was 8 years old.

[worstblogever]

And... that officially tarnishes the legend. Not much "spin" can be given to make that alright for Paterno's legacy.

[Vibranium]

oh jeez...I wonder what other hornets nest that is going to stir up now

the NCAA will most likely be investigating once all the legal issues are resolved

strike that...I just want the truth...all of it to come out about anything Penn State did to cover this up

[7thangel]

And... that officially tarnishes the legend. Not much "spin" can be given to make that alright for Paterno's legacy.

well, if you watch the cnn report Paterno's spokespeople are denying any involvement.