Minorities and Other Issues in Comics Thread/Community III

**Genki Sudo** · 05-09-2012, 12:36 PM

Double post

**Genki Sudo** · 05-09-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by RolandJP

"Easily" and "written out: sounds Stalin to me. The fact it is almost exclusively used in cooperation ( most of the time) with Women and Minority characters is frightening.

A person could also Write out. Hawkeye. Black Widow. etc..All the same its quite ludicrous.

Why do Minorities get this treatment the most..tho its like their accomplishments/ relationships are constantly getting retconned--or at least at a higher rate than whites.

Also, On the Diversity front between the big 2..DC is killing MArvel.

Yeah DC does what they always do, push that they're diverse before the comic comes out Nd then forget about it as soon as it comes out. They did it with Static Shock( and never even apologized for screwing that up and putting him limbo btw ), Mr. Terrific, Voodoo, Blue Beetle, Omac( you know when he was human ) and Batwing.

They're both terrible but at least Marvel has kept both Miles and Luke front and center while DC is just "hey Cyborg's on the League so we're progressive"

Hell I remember what they did to the last ethnic Hawkgirl, no thanks

**Mecegirl** · 05-09-2012, 01:15 PM

What did they do to that Hawkgirl? I've been racking my brain trying to remember if there was ever a time that the Hawks were depicted as non-white outside of a previous life flashback. I think I am remembering correctly that Kendra was mixed but like Kyle Rayner it's not really something you could tell.

**Jabare** · 05-09-2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Vibranium

am I the only one who has never liked the Falcon, ever?

I use to not really care for him, but over the last two years I've kind of come around. I like him in the Ultimate Universe. In fact I'm loving a lot of aspects in the Ultimate Marvel Universe more than the 616.

But overall he is okay, I think he really would shine more in a live action show or movie or a solo. Similarly to a character like the Rocketeer, his claim to fame was he was a guy with a jetpack with a snazzy outfit, but in a universe like marvel populated with all these other ridiculous characters guys like Falcon or Angel don't really stand out that much. Still he is portrayed well in the Ultimate Universe.

In the 616 he doesn't seem as effective, because his main power is simply flight. With by itself amounts to next to nothing in a mainstream universe. The talking to birds is really interesting. Kind of like Aquaman communicating with sea life, however, much more convenient, because the majority of the time superheroes are on land. So overall I see him as a character with potential who is very underutilized.

I hear he has been written well in Brubackers run of Captain America, but I haven't read those books so I can't personally attest to that claim.

**RolandJP** · 05-09-2012, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Genki Sudo

Yeah DC does what they always do, push that they're diverse before the comic comes out Nd then forget about it as soon as it comes out. They did it with Static Shock( and never even apologized for screwing that up and putting him limbo btw ), Mr. Terrific, Voodoo, Blue Beetle, Omac( you know when he was human ) and Batwing.

They're both terrible but at least Marvel has kept both Miles and Luke front and center while DC is just "hey Cyborg's on the League so we're progressive"

Hell I remember what they did to the last ethnic Hawkgirl, no thanks

I stand corrected. I owe Marvel an APOLOGY.

Originally Posted by StoneGold

Ooooook.... I think you may be looking into this a little too deep. And possibly losing the forest for the trees. Putting horse before cart, and other such metaphors.

It has nothing to do with minorities or women. It has to do with being secondary characters being easily written out. NOW you get to come around and complain about minorities and women being mostly written as secondary characters as opposed main protagonists/antagonists.

But really, Stalin? Because whether or not fictional characters are essential to a plot line has anything to do with genocide? I think you may be skirting Godwin's Law with that one.

I was trying to create a new Stalin meme. TO avoid Godwin's law...

And I did over-reach. I was trying to shine a light on the standard practice of marginalizing minority and women heroes..im overly sensitive to "writing off those characters.".because there is a greater chance that it is a permanent death sentence.

**Libaax** · 05-09-2012, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jabare

I hear he has been written well in Brubackers run of Captain America, but I haven't read those books so I can't personally attest to that claim.

I have read about The Falcon only in Brubakers run of Captain America and he was awesome street level hero there. Smart,tough. There is nothing not to like there. I miss seeing him written by Brubaker. Shame he is so focused on Winter Soldier even if Bucky is enough of my fav heroes.

For once i wish a minority superhero like Falcon or a cool female hero like Black Widow got a series or mini with A-list treatment like being written by Brubaker.

**Vibranium** · 05-09-2012, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Libaax

For once i wish a minority superhero like Falcon or a cool female hero like Black Widow got a series or mini with A-list treatment like being written by Brubaker.