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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Lotus View Post

    Like everyone else has said in the end it turned out she didn't comment any really horrible acts.
    Like the poster above me said. Just a last minute act on the writers part just to make Aya be sympathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legato View Post
    Like the poster above me said. Just a last minute act on the writers part just to make Aya be sympathetic.
    While it is true that plot point is likely done to add sympathy to Aya's character arc, it would be inaccurate call it a last minute act as when making an animated television show nearly all the major plot points are fleshed out/written before anything is even animated. So that plot point would be have been planned from the beginning, not a last minute addendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur View Post
    Yeah I can't get on board with her being sympathetic prior to the reveal. I got that she was hurt and it sucks, but she lost my sympathy when she appeared to of murdered trillions of people. I don't think I could ever sympathize with any character who does that because someone rejects them.

    Though admittedly Aya's turning as evil as she supposedly was prior to the reveal didn't exactly make a lot of sense anyways.
    She did not just turn evil because she was rejected it was also because she wanted to save her crewmates during the Manhunter assault and to do so she had to seal off the majority of her emotions; and because she did so in a state of emotional anguish her machine side of her went to the life=emotions=pain/disorder=bad, thus life should exterminated conclusion like the Manhunters. Her turn was not just purely a Woman Scorned trope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theozilla View Post
    Except we find out Aya never actually killed any inhabited star systems. Why is her redemption any less legitimate than Razer's was? He was responsible for destroying inhabited planets.
    Just the 1, and Kilowog saved the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupersuper View Post
    Just the 1, and Kilowog saved the people.
    He did kill the Green Lantern in the opening and being part of Red Lantern Corps makes it likely he was complicit in the destruction of many more innocent lives for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theozilla View Post
    He did kill the Green Lantern in the opening and being part of Red Lantern Corps makes it likely he was complicit in the destruction of many more innocent lives for a while.
    Actually, Zox killed the first GL. Zox also blamed the escape of Hal and the others on Razer, citing his lack of experience. Razer was clearly new to the corp and his first test of loyalty was activating the liberator that blew up the planet. He clearly had no qualms fighting enemy combatants, but the way he tried to commit suicide by cop exposed that he could not deal with killing innocents.

    The only kill on his conscience is the GL who sacrificed his life to save his people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basara View Post
    Actually, Zox killed the first GL. Zox also blamed the escape of Hal and the others on Razer, citing his lack of experience. Razer was clearly new to the corp and his first test of loyalty was activating the liberator that blew up the planet. He clearly had no qualms fighting enemy combatants, but the way he tried to commit suicide by cop exposed that he could not deal with killing innocents.

    The only kill on his conscience is the GL who sacrificed his life to save his people.
    If memory serves, Kilowog said he rescued "most of the people" from the GL's home settlement before the bomb went off. Unless that tiny settlement was the only life on the entire planet, there's a pretty high probability that people died when that planet exploded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalorama View Post
    If memory serves, Kilowog said he rescued "most of the people" from the GL's home settlement before the bomb went off. Unless that tiny settlement was the only life on the entire planet, there's a pretty high probability that people died when that planet exploded.
    I'd have to rewatch it, but I'm pretty sure Kilowog saved every one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupersuper View Post
    I'd have to rewatch it, but I'm pretty sure Kilowog saved every one.
    Well, there's no way to actually know that. Even he didn't know it, which is why he said he saved "most" of the settlers, not "all." And, really, there'd be no way for him to actually know if he saved everyone or not. Even if he saved everyone in the village, what about people on the planet who didn't love in the village? What about people who lived in the village who weren't actually in the village when the bomb went off? The odds of him literally saving everyone on the planet in the few seconds he had to gather them all up are pretty slim.

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    I really hope this at least gets continued in the comics. That seems like a fairly safe bet, I mean, Smallville got comics. Batman Beyond got one a decade after the show.

    And, while I don't want to have too much false hope, Family Guy and Futurama (and Ren & Stimpy, to much lesser extent) have taught in animation, the end isn't necessarily The End.

    I liked the finale, though would have thought that with the fate of the entire universe on the line, the Corp would have called in more help. Blue energy needs to stay away from Manhunters, and maybe the Reds wouldn't send anybody, but the Star Sapphires almost certainly would. It would have been cool to see some Hawkmen as well.

    I liked that they had the Hand of the Presence, or whatever it was, in the pre-Big Bang visuals. It just looked very cosmic and ominous and enigmatic.


    Quote Originally Posted by Basara View Post
    Actually, Zox killed the first GL. Zox also blamed the escape of Hal and the others on Razer, citing his lack of experience. Razer was clearly new to the corp and his first test of loyalty was activating the liberator that blew up the planet. He clearly had no qualms fighting enemy combatants, but the way he tried to commit suicide by cop exposed that he could not deal with killing innocents.

    The only kill on his conscience is the GL who sacrificed his life to save his people.
    There was episode in season 1 where Razer knew what sort of tactic the Reds would use and explained that he'd been in charge of planning ambushes on GLs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jared View Post
    I really hope this at least gets continued in the comics. That seems like a fairly safe bet, I mean, Smallville got comics. Batman Beyond got one a decade after the show.
    I don't really think that what happened with Smallville and Batman Beyond provide much of a harbinger for GL. Smallville and Batman Beyond both ran for a longer time and had a larger audience base. Also (and probably more importantly), Batman and Superman are DC's most popular and commercially viable/exploitable characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalorama View Post
    I don't really think that what happened with Smallville and Batman Beyond provide much of a harbinger for GL. Smallville and Batman Beyond both ran for a longer time and had a larger audience base. Also (and probably more importantly), Batman and Superman are DC's most popular and commercially viable/exploitable characters.
    Actually the GLTAS comic is still running (though it doesn't tie into the plot significantly like the Young Justice comic did).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theozilla View Post
    Actually the GLTAS comic is still running (though it doesn't tie into the plot significantly like the Young Justice comic did).
    (A) I assume Jared was talking about a "Season 3" series that would continue the story where the TV show left off like the Smallville Season 11 comic currently does and, as you note, the current series doesn't do that (B) I expect that the current series will be cancelled soon, now that the show is off the air.

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