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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomads1 View Post
    I'd still rate Dissassembled bellow # 200. If nothing else, at least it had a great cast and pretty George Perez art.

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    And I don't think it was that bad of a story. Did it have some off moments? Yes, but Disassembled was such a badly written story, and the amount of OOC moments eclipsed every odd moment from 200.
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    How about all time favorite avengers...cover?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talisman View Post
    And I don't think it was that bad of a story. Did it have some off moments? Yes, but Disassembled was such a badly written story, and the amount of OOC moments eclipsed every odd moment from 200.
    Avengers 200 was a collosal mistake that shouold be retconned as mind control or something except that would require revisiting it and it is better left buried.

    By far the worst Avengers comic. I don't think Marvel meant for it to be offensive, or harmful, but it was and I think they realize that now and have more or less said mea culpa and moved on.

    Disassembled was simply a poorly conceived story. Not nearly as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey W View Post
    Avengers 200 was a collosal mistake that shouold be retconned as mind control or something except that would require revisiting it and it is better left buried.

    By far the worst Avengers comic. I don't think Marvel meant for it to be offensive, or harmful, but it was and I think they realize that now and have more or less said mea culpa and moved on.

    Disassembled was simply a poorly conceived story. Not nearly as bad.
    I guess you never read Avengers Annual 10. It was revealed to be mind control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonteMike72 View Post
    It is a close call but I would have to say The Nefaria Trilogy. Issues #164-#166.
    It just beats out The Bride of Ultron Trilogy. Issues #160-#162. A great time to be reading the Avengers.
    Exactly mine as well. Of course part of the reason for me loving that time in Avengers history is because I started with my subscription on issue #152 which started my loving Wonder Man. Such an amazing time for comic books and being an Avengers fan in general....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken ashcroft View Post
    i agree. That was a great period in avengers history with arguably the greatest avengers line-up as well. It was definitely my favourite line-up with iron man, captain america, thor, vision, scarlet witch, beast, black panther, yellowjacket, wasp and wonderman (unofficial member)
    word!........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talisman View Post
    I guess you never read Avengers Annual 10. It was revealed to be mind control.
    I thought it was mind control of Carol, not the whole team--who were the ones at fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey W View Post
    I thought it was mind control of Carol, not the whole team--who were the ones at fault.
    Well, the biggest story problem was Carol wanting to go off with Marcus, so the mind control explained that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosocialize100 View Post
    How about all time favorite avengers...cover?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post


    Best of Times!
    As I said, as wrong as the story may have been, there are some redeeming qualities about Avg. #200. That cover is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey W View Post
    Just reread this thread and I can't believe how many great stories there have been. Putting together a top 20 is tough and the order could change tomorrow:

    1.) Under Siege: Simply the best Avengers story ever told. Raised Helmut Zemo to new levels, one of the best Cap stories of all time, a great Wasp story, a great Monica story, and a great Avengers story. And as noted in this thread contained one of the all-time great covers. It just hit every point.
    2.) The Korvac Saga: Perhaps the most epic Avengers story. Fighting unbeatable odds the Avengers perservere and find a way. Except, like their fights with Thanos, did they win or did the opponent lose? And as Moondragon points out at the end, did the Avengers really win at all?
    3.) Behold the Vision: There are a lot of Ultron stories on this list. This is my favorite. Even an android can cry is my single favorite issue of the Avengers.
    4.) Assault on Olympus: Avengers v. The Greek pantheon. The most fun Avengers story in my opinion. Has great Herc, Cap, Namor and Black Knight moments. And the single best Monica Rambeau moment.
    5.) The Fall and Trial of Hank Pym: Hank Pym fans often lament this story because it keeps gettng referenced. But the reason is that it is one of the best stories Marvel ever told and it is by far the best Hank Pym story. Anyone who is not moved by it must be made of stone.
    6.) Lost in Space Time: This is the second best Hank Pym story ever told and Hank Pym fans should not be upset that writers remember the Fall of Pym, they should be upset that writers forget his redemption. The story also has great moments for Hawk, Mock, Tigra and Jocasta. Add to that some cool time travel stuff and tying the story in with Doctor Strange and the FF and the story is epic on ever level.
    7.) Ultron Unlimited: The second most fun Avengers story of all time. And it contained one of the best lines (if not the best) in Avengers history. For me, this is the story that made me realize how frightening Ultron was.
    8.) Bride of Ultron: Another great Ultron story from a time when the Avengers was firing on all cylinders. Nefaria would follow almost immediately. Then after a couple issue break Ultron again. Then Korvac a few months later.
    9.) Kang War: What an epic! People say that it dragged on too long, and maybe I would have felt that way if I was reading it month by month for more than a year. But in trade it is awesome. I love this story.
    10.) Celestial Madonna: Another epic. If you haven't read it, do. There are two reasons it is not higher. First, the ending is never really followed up on. The Celestial Madonna seems like a really big deal, but then there is never a big Celestial Messiah story that caps it off. To this day, I have no idea why Mantis' tree child was important. Second, Mantis was awesome. Now . . . Oh Mantis, what did they do to you?
    11.) Avengers Forever: I am not a Kang fan. I am a fan of Busiek's Kang. No one else has ever done him better--or even close to as well. This Kang and the one from Kang Dynasty are the definitive Kangs that all future writers have to wrestle with.
    12.) Nefaria Trilogy from Shooters Run: The Avengers take on Superman with one of the Vision's best moments.
    13.) Darker than Scarlet: The Scarlet Witch is my favorite character, and I hate that this story and its predecesor (Vision Quest) created the seeds to destroy the Vision for 20+, the Vision/Witch marriage (permanently?), and the Witch (for several years). But I can't deny it is a great story standing on its own.
    14.) The Gatherers: A serial, sprawling, epic story of Avengers v. Alternate Avengers told with 90s era bomber jackets and a crazy as all-hells-get-out Sersi. A great story from Harras's underrated run. Amazingly, Harras had one of the most consistent Avengers rosters in history (before Bendis) with Black Widow, Crystal and Sersi all serving years together and Crystal and Sersi have disappeared barely to be seen with the team again.
    15.) Red Scare: The best Johns' story and one of the best Skull stories. Also one of the best Panther stories. It actually makes me wish that Johns had gotten Cap or Black Panther for awhile.
    16.) JLA/Avengers: Crazy fun and the best intercompany crossover yet.
    17.) The Chthon Saga: One of the most important and referenced stories in Avengers history. And fun.
    18.) The Kree-Skrull War: Ditto.
    19.) Operation Galactic Storm: I owe my appreciation of this to someone on this board. Maybe Nomad. I expressed the view one day that it wasn't very good and they suggested that I go back and reread it, so I did. It worked much better than I remembered it and was very topical when it was written--Avengers intervene in a war between two foreign powers to preserve the Earth's strategic interests (i.e. the Sun).
    20.) Defenders War: Great idea for a story, well executed, and has the best Scarlet Witch moment of all time.

    Honorable mention: The Collection Obsession: No one else seems to like this story, but I loved it. Thane Ector is a great villain, the Brethren were cool, Sersi and Cap have good showings, and the whole thing was a mini dry-run for the Kang Dynasty.
    Would anyone happen to know the issue numbers of Avengers the above stories fall under? Much appreciated. Thanks.
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    Most of them are in trades i'd imagine. If not, google is your friend ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdk91939 View Post
    Would anyone happen to know the issue numbers of Avengers the above stories fall under? Much appreciated. Thanks.
    Since it was my list, I will add in the numbers:

    1.) Under Siege (Vol. 1 270-77 (Stern; Buscema) (collected)): Simply the best Avengers story ever told. Raised Helmut Zemo to new levels, one of the best Cap stories of all time, a great Wasp story, a great Monica story, and a great Avengers story. And as noted in this thread contained one of the all-time great covers. It just hit every point.
    2.) The Korvac Saga (Vol. 1 167-68, 170-77 (Shooter, Perez) (collected)): Perhaps the most epic Avengers story. Fighting unbeatable odds the Avengers perservere and find a way. Except, like their fights with Thanos, did they win or did the opponent lose? And as Moondragon points out at the end, did the Avengers really win at all?
    3.) Behold the Vision (Vol. 1 57-58 (Thomas, Buscema) (collected in Avengers Masterworks Vol. 6)): There are a lot of Ultron stories on this list. This is my favorite. Even an android can cry is my single favorite issue of the Avengers.
    4.) Assault on Olympus (Vol. 1 281-285 (Stern, Buscema) (collected with 278-80)): Avengers v. The Greek pantheon. The most fun Avengers story in my opinion. Has great Herc, Cap, Namor and Black Knight moments. And the single best Monica Rambeau moment.
    5.) The Fall and Trial of Hank Pym (off and on from Vol. 1 212 through 230 (started by Shooter, finished by Stern) (soon to be collected I think): Hank Pym fans often lament this story because it keeps gettng referenced. But the reason is that it is one of the best stories Marvel ever told and it is by far the best Hank Pym story. Anyone who is not moved by it must be made of stone.
    6.) Lost in Space Time (WCA 17-24 (Engelhart, Milgrom) (collected)): This is the second best Hank Pym story ever told and Hank Pym fans should not be upset that writers remember the Fall of Pym, they should be upset that writers forget his redemption. The story also has great moments for Hawk, Mock, Tigra and Jocasta. Add to that some cool time travel stuff and tying the story in with Doctor Strange and the FF and the story is epic on ever level.
    7.) Ultron Unlimited (Vol. 3 0, 19-22 (Busiek, Perez) (collected)): The second most fun Avengers story of all time. And it contained one of the best lines (if not the best) in Avengers history. For me, this is the story that made me realize how frightening Ultron was.
    8.) Bride of Ultron (Vol. 1 161-62 (Shooter, Perez) (collected as 157-166, which includes two other great stories)): Another great Ultron story from a time when the Avengers was firing on all cylinders. Nefaria would follow almost immediately. Then after a couple issue break Ultron again. Then Korvac a few months later.
    9.) Kang War (Vol. 3 41-55, Annual 2001 (Busiek, various) (collected in Avengers Assemble Vol. 5)): What an epic! People say that it dragged on too long, and maybe I would have felt that way if I was reading it month by month for more than a year. But in trade it is awesome. I love this story.
    10.) Celestial Madonna (Vol. 1 129-35, Giant Size Avengers 2-4 (Engelhart, Buscema) (collected)): Another epic. If you haven't read it, do. There are two reasons it is not higher. First, the ending is never really followed up on. The Celestial Madonna seems like a really big deal, but then there is never a big Celestial Messiah story that caps it off. To this day, I have no idea why Mantis' tree child was important. Second, Mantis was awesome. Now . . . Oh Mantis, what did they do to you?
    11.) Avengers Forever (Avengers Forever 1-12 (Busiek/Stern, Pacheco) (collected)): I am not a Kang fan. I am a fan of Busiek's Kang. No one else has ever done him better--or even close to as well. This Kang and the one from Kang Dynasty are the definitive Kangs that all future writers have to wrestle with.
    12.) Nefaria Trilogy from Shooters Run (Vol. 1 164-166 (Shooter, Byrne) (collected with 157-166, which includes the Bride of Ultron)): The Avengers take on Superman with one of the Vision's best moments.
    13.) Darker than Scarlet (AWC 51-57, 60-62 (Byrne/R. Thomas; Byrne, D. Thomas) (collected)): The Scarlet Witch is my favorite character, and I hate that this story and its predecesor (Vision Quest) created the seeds to destroy the Vision for 20+, the Vision/Witch marriage (permanently?), and the Witch (for several years). But I can't deny it is a great story standing on its own.
    14.) The Gatherers (off and on from Vol. 1 343 through 375 (Harras, Epting) (sadly not collected)): A serial, sprawling, epic story of Avengers v. Alternate Avengers told with 90s era bomber jackets and a crazy as all-hells-get-out Sersi. A great story from Harras's underrated run. Amazingly, Harras had one of the most consistent Avengers rosters in history (before Bendis) with Black Widow, Crystal and Sersi all serving years together and Crystal and Sersi have disappeared barely to be seen with the team again.
    15.) Red Zone (Vol 3 65-70 (Johns, Coipel) (collected)): The best Johns' story and one of the best Skull stories. Also one of the best Panther stories. It actually makes me wish that Johns had gotten Cap or Black Panther for awhile.
    16.) JLA/Avengers (JLA/Avengers 1-4 (Busiek, Perez) (collected)): Crazy fun and the best intercompany crossover yet.
    17.) The Chthon Saga (Vol. 1 181-87 (Michilinie, Byrne) (collected as "Nights of Wundagore")): One of the most important and referenced stories in Avengers history. And fun.
    18.) The Kree-Skrull War (Vol. 1 89-97 (Thomas, Adams/both Buscemas): Ditto.
    19.) Operation Galactic Storm (19 part cross-over among Avengers, Avengers West Coast, Captain America, Iron Man, Quasar, Thor, and Wonderman (varios) (collected in two volumes)): I owe my appreciation of this to someone on this board. Maybe Nomad. I expressed the view one day that it wasn't very good and they suggested that I go back and reread it, so I did. It worked much better than I remembered it and was very topical when it was written--Avengers intervene in a war between two foreign powers to preserve the Earth's strategic interests (i.e. the Sun).
    20.) Defenders War (Vol. 1 116-118, Defenders 9-11 (Engelhart, ??): Great idea for a story, well executed, and has the best Scarlet Witch moment of all time.

    Honorable mention: The Collection Obsession (Vol. 1 334-339 (Harras, Epting) (not collected): No one else seems to like this story, but I loved it. Thane Ector is a great villain, the Brethren were cool, Sersi and Cap have good showings, and the whole thing was a mini dry-run for the Kang Dynasty.

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    I'll be boring and say "Kree Skrull War" off the toppa my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    Most of them are in trades i'd imagine. If not, google is your friend ;)
    Tried the google LD, it wasn't much of a help. It would just tell about the story but not the issue numbers though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corey W View Post
    Since it was my list, I will add in the numbers:
    Corey, thank you very much. It's a big help.
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