let just take a moment to remember just how terrible this thing was shall we
ok moment is gone lets forget about it now
This scene is probably one of the only good things that actually came out of War Games/War Crimes....an absolute classic Joker quote.LOL,Joker owned him worse than the movie in War Crimes.
To be fair to Black Mask...despite the massive amount of blood that appeared to be oozing out of him in this scene, he got right back up at the start of the next book he knocks the gun out of Jokers hand before he can pull the trigger to put another shot in his brain, and then gets up grabbing the Joker by the lapels like he is going to wallop him. Impressive given the massive blood loss...wait a minute. Not only is there now not a hole in Black Mask but even his dam Batsuit is completely in tact. What the blazes....
Now that I think about...this is actually the second fight between Joker and Black Mask. In the first fight Joker shoots Black Mask in the chest with his handgun...Roman goes down, but is right back up with a torn suit revealing he had body armor under it.
And yet knowing this the Joker shoots him in the chest from the same range, with a handgun on their second encounter...only this time Roman is not wearing armor....until he apparently is....but that still doesn't explain the untouched suit. Aaaaargh. I forgot just how big of a black hole of suck War Crimes was.
Ah well....Joker does get the last shot in firing an acid dart into Black Mask's forehead...which would have killed him had Batman not been standing right there with the antidote.
Last edited by Xenith; 10-28-2011 at 11:15 PM.
The first two, ok, I can see that too, the problem is that the artist suck, so I can't see attractivness in that depiction, everything is moody, ugly, with dark colors, there's an involuntary sense of If that's to be considered rape porn then, sorry, It doesn't work.
I admit, the pose is a little ambigous, but in the copy I have, her behind is covered by a "To be continued" tagline, so is even less of cheesecake.
Now, onto this panels:
I can understand the panel with her entire body. Alone it can be considered sexualization, with her body shown in all those datails.
But I look at the context.
There's a girl crying and bleeding, tortured, alone in the dark. The shadows enfatize her bones, she looks skinny, sick, in great pain, terrorized.
What she's doing (taking her hands of a cauff), is something we can all imagine causes a ton of pain.
And maybe I'm naive and too optimistic, but I repeat, I can't think of somebody drawing and writing this character for sick pleasure, I like think the better of people instead of seying bleakness everywhere I watch. If that would the case, they wouldn't work in comics, they would have a website were they can post as much rape pornography as they want.
And no, I don't think this panels would have been different If a male hero was tortured. He still would have been chained to the ceiling and strugled to free his hands, pressing his body to the ground, flexing his legs, trying to liberate himself.
lets just all agree that this the thing was awfully offensive to women, black ppl and human beings in general and leave it like that
I'm agreeing that it was awful but in the artists defense, he never really drew any visible physical damage on steph other than a bunch of little cuts. I would imagine Black Mask could do much worse than that.
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Having just looked at these panels again (which were supposedly 'highly sexualised') and having my memory refreshed... sorry, I just don't see it. At least to the extent that some of you guys do.
You've got a young girl in a skin tight costume hanging in chains... what do you expect it to look like? In my opinion, an artist would have to go out of their way to make it look anything but.
Just an opinion. No flaming required.
Of course, I could just be biased by my absolute hatred of this story and the indulgence of the Black Mask and his torture porn in general.
Who wants to save the world? That's what misers do...
And there are a lot of ways to draw somebody being tortured that doesn't emphasize their physique. Heck, they could've just kept more of her cape around. Yeah, it could've been worse, but it would've been easy to make it better, too.
To me, it's a fairly minor complaint about the story, especially when compared to the terrible characterization of both Bruce and Steph.
Only time that I hated the way the Batman books were going. Didn't drop the title because of this but darn this was bad. Atleast I liked some of the issues in the Return of Ra's al Ghul crossover.
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