IGN: Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates #3 Review

[Morentez]

No it wasn't. It was kick him, arrest him, and charge him, that is justice.

So you'd rather your heroes were like: "What's that Timmy? Your dog's stuck down a well!? We can't have that now can we, Timmy? Let's go save that puppy and then all go for milkshakes!" rather than have them display real emotion and urges?

[wyokid]

So you'd rather your heroes were like: "What's that Timmy? Your dog's stuck down a well!? We can't have that now can we, Timmy? Let's go save that puppy and then all go for milkshakes!" rather than have them display real emotion and urges?

Not once did I say that. Not. Once.

[Morentez]

Not once did I say that. Not. Once.

To be fair that was just me extrapolating a scenario from your lofty expectations of what a hero should be.

At the end of the day it seems that a majority of people (both in the comics and as readers) viewed Banners treatment as totally justified. If you've honestly never got violent with someone you may not understand what that anger can do until you lash out and as said earlier; hundreds of innocent deaths because one man "just wanted to feel big" is totally inexcusable.

Here's a thought though: do you think Cap was justified when he beat the snot out of Pym?

[Plawsky]

When the bad guy is defeated. Banner was defeated.

Then should they not have killed Magneto at the end of Ultimatum? If Peter were to run into the guy who killed Uncle Ben again, wouldn't he deserve to be punched in the face?

You're really getting rather nitpicky. Yes, Banner was beaten, but that didn't mean he was clean. It was his fault that all those NY citizens died. The legal system is fine and all, but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve a kick in the jaw.

[wyokid]

To be fair that was just me extrapolating a scenario from your lofty expectations of what a hero should be.

At the end of the day it seems that a majority of people (both in the comics and as readers) viewed Banners treatment as totally justified. If you've honestly never got violent with someone you may not understand what that anger can do until you lash out and as said earlier; hundreds of innocent deaths because one man "just wanted to feel big" is totally inexcusable.

Here's a thought though: do you think Cap was justified when he beat the snot out of Pym?

I do not, but there are already WWWAAAYYY too many things wrong with that comic.

Then should they not have killed Magneto at the end of Ultimatum? If Peter were to run into the guy who killed Uncle Ben again, wouldn't he deserve to be punched in the face?

Magneto should not have been killed and no Ben's killer shouldn't be punched, but I know Peter would do it anyway.

[Plawsky]

Magneto should not have been killed and no Ben's killer shouldn't be punched, but I know Peter would do it anyway.

So Magneto - the guy who killed thousands of people, was "rehabilitated," killed loads of people, went to jail, escaped and killed millions of people - should be spared in an effort to be "heroic?" At what point does heroism become stupidity?

I love Spider-man and Batman, but a hero having a no-kill rule is naive. If you have a recurring villain who continues to beat the system, there's no need for him to keep living. "Fool me once" and all that.

[wyokid]

So Magneto - the guy who killed thousands of people, was "rehabilitated," killed loads of people, went to jail, escaped and killed millions of people - should be spared in an effort to be "heroic?" At what point does heroism become stupidity?

I love Spider-man and Batman, but a hero having a no-kill rule is naive. If you have a recurring villain who continues to beat the system, there's no need for him to keep living. "Fool me once" and all that.

Then you and I are opposite on what we like.

[Plawsky]

Then you and I are opposite on what we like.

So you don't like Spider-man and Batman? That's all I said about what I like. You didn't answer the question. Do you really think it makes sense for them to try to imprison Magneto AGAIN? Had they killed him the first time, nobody would have died in Ultimatum, because there would have been no Ultimatum. I can understand their logic at that time, but to think that imprisoning him again would work the third time around would be plain ignorant.

Is it heroic to leave a terrorist's fate up to the system, even when the system has been proven time and time again to not work?

[wyokid]

I was saying that I love the no kill rule. I'd rather have him in prison or depowered then killed.

[Plawsky]

I was saying that I love the no kill rule. I'd rather have him in prison or depowered then killed.

But it's been shown that prison doesn't work for Magneto. The last time they put him in prison, he escaped unnoticed and ended killing millions of people worldwide.

[wyokid]

Depower him then lock him up.

[Skaddix]

But it's been shown that prison doesn't work for Magneto. The last time they put him in prison, he escaped unnoticed and ended killing millions of people worldwide.

Lobotomize him.

[wyokid]

Lobotomize him.

That didn't work the first time, I'm also HIGHLY against that as well.

[wyokid]

Yay.

Back to the topic: did I hear rumour of She Hulk's return in future Ultimates issues? Because I'd love to see her back!

I did at one point, but then it was never mentioned again :\

[Robbie_Jee]

Yay.

Back to the topic: did I hear rumour of She Hulk's return in future Ultimates issues? Because I'd love to see her back!

I think I heard Hickman say it in an interview. It was muffled though so I'm not sure if he said Shield instead.

Oh and apologies for being off topic. Hopefully Plawsky will move the discussion to the 'Comparing the Ultimates' thread.