Superman Appreciation

**It's Superman** · 05-10-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by brik-el

That's cook.

**Sacred Knight** · 05-10-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lexrules

it going to take a VERY, VERY Long time because the classic suit isn't going anywhere any time soon on merchandise and other product.

These are not mutually exclusive ideas. The classic costume doesn't have to disappear from the light of day for people to get used to another iteration of the costume that doesn't feature the trunks, especially when said costume has become the primary look.

It won't take long; its already happening.

**It's Superman** · 05-10-2012, 04:47 PM

**Sacred Knight** · 05-10-2012, 04:58 PM

Makes me wanna go pull that issue out and read it again. Hologram cover and all, lol.

**It's Superman** · 05-10-2012, 11:38 PM

**Lexrules** · 05-11-2012, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sacred Knight

These are not mutually exclusive ideas. The classic costume doesn't have to disappear from the light of day for people to get used to another iteration of the costume that doesn't feature the trunks, especially when said costume has become the primary look.

It won't take long; its already happening.

Only in the small comic book world. Not in the real world. Those that really matter the ones who buy the merchandise and sell the product. Mattel is having serious problems trying to get the New DCnU line into stores because retailers are Leary that the new look will sell because it is not the classic look of the characters and merchandise will always feature the classic look of the characters. As for thinking the Movie look will stick, I wouldn't bet on it. Much like the movie Batman you will see some merchandise for the first 6 months then it will all be about the classic look again. The general public is way to set in the ways of the classic look of these characters. It will take many generations to try to reprogram them and I seriously don't see Dan Didio and Jim Lee being around to try to stop it for any real impact.

**neverender** · 05-12-2012, 04:49 PM

**brik-el** · 05-13-2012, 06:54 AM

**manofsteel1979** · 05-13-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Lexrules

Only in the small comic book world. Not in the real world. Those that really matter the ones who buy the merchandise and sell the product. Mattel is having serious problems trying to get the New DCnU line into stores because retailers are Leary that the new look will sell because it is not the classic look of the characters and merchandise will always feature the classic look of the characters. As for thinking the Movie look will stick, I wouldn't bet on it. Much like the movie Batman you will see some merchandise for the first 6 months then it will all be about the classic look again. The general public is way to set in the ways of the classic look of these characters. It will take many generations to try to reprogram them and I seriously don't see Dan Didio and Jim Lee being around to try to stop it for any real impact.

I imagine it kinda similar to Batman as you have said. Yes, since about 2000 or so, in the comics, Batman has been wearing a black and grey suit (with or without trunks, but mostly trunks) with a black bat and no yellow oval on chest. Yet, in a majority of merchandising, he is still in his grey and blue suit with trunks and yellow oval around the bat. Why? Because that is the look that is considered iconic. It doesn't make the comic book or movie suits less valid, but those other suits have their place and niche and are NOT as widely known. Recognizable as Batman, yes, but are variations of the prototype which is Batman's silver age/bronze age look perfected by Neal Adams and Jim Aparo.

Same with Superman. In fact, I would wager most of the general public is unaware of the most recent costume change, as there was not nearly the hubbub and controversy associated with this change in the mainstream media as there was with the 1997 change. Us comic nerds got bent out of shape, but that's it. Doesn't mean you won't see the MOS suit or the DCnU Suit on merchandise, but it will always be seen as a variation of the standard bearer, which is the classic suit as created by Joe Shuster and perfected by Curt Swan and later artists.

**An Ear In The Fireplace** · 05-13-2012, 08:28 PM

Now that you mention it, where was the storm of controversy over Superman's change of costume? There have been several storms of controversy over different things that DC has done in recent years. About pants, about citizenship. This kind of stuff keeps hitting the fan in the media, driving people to pick up the offending comics in question.

This supports my belief that such outrage is stage managed by DC/WB itself--and not a natural eruption from social media. Me thinks they stir up these controversies about rather trivial stuff to drive up sales. However on the latest Superman change, they didn't bother--maybe because they were trying to control the message on the new 52, and the changes to specific costumes was off message. It was more about the whole universe rather than particular heroes.

I think the animated Batman counters the updates to his costume. "Batman: The Animated Series," "The Batman," and "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" all had the classic "New Look" costume. So as new generations discover these cartoons, the costume never goes out of style.

**It's Superman** · 05-15-2012, 07:04 AM

In my humble opinion, this should have been DCnU Superman costume.

**Lexrules** · 05-15-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by An Ear In The Fireplace

Now that you mention it, where was the storm of controversy over Superman's change of costume? There have been several storms of controversy over different things that DC has done in recent years. About pants, about citizenship. This kind of stuff keeps hitting the fan in the media, driving people to pick up the offending comics in question.

This supports my belief that such outrage is stage managed by DC/WB itself--and not a natural eruption from social media. Me thinks they stir up these controversies about rather trivial stuff to drive up sales. However on the latest Superman change, they didn't bother--maybe because they were trying to control the message on the new 52, and the changes to specific costumes was off message. It was more about the whole universe rather than particular heroes.

I think the animated Batman counters the updates to his costume. "Batman: The Animated Series," "The Batman," and "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" all had the classic "New Look" costume. So as new generations discover these cartoons, the costume never goes out of style.

Because those in charge at DC don't seem to get it. They think cheap stunts and changing history will bring people in to save a dying industry. The truth is they are only killing it more then they could ever imagine and have been for years.