Storm Appreciation

[Valeria Kementari]

Hey it's not over yet, they could still work things out...




...right? :'(

[Red Mask]

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Oh hell. That was lousy...

Well, while they're at it make sure she doesn't show her face in the rest of Africa too.

[Ebonyleopard]

Yeah, ultimately I think the problem is T'Challa just wasn't very good at personal relationships. He's a bit prideful and stubborn, and has an understandable knack for putthing the job ahead of his marriage.

I think Storm to her credit was very understanding of his short comings, but in the end they did sort of spell the end of their marriage.

I still say the reason isn't that T-Challa isn't good at personal relationships, but the WRITERS aren't good at WRITING good personal relationships. And I lay that at the foot of the Marvel editorial staff. I don't care how much people wanted their marriage to dissolve (why I don't know other than to continue a personal fantasy of a single Storm, since single female character are easier to think about than ones hitched), nobody can say this was the story they wanted to read to see how it actually ended, because I'm sorry, It makes no damn sense in the "WHY" it ended. In the 6 panel one page, 12 word balloon 'event' HELL, she even says right there that she didn't even know what was going on, which frankly is true, if you follow the Uncanny X-men tie ins all she's been doing is sitting around trading woo-is-me stories with Magento and Psylocke. Sure we'll get the (shipping late in my opinion AvsX book), but it makes no sense at all.

Even worst, he annulled their marriage without even telling her. That's some cowardedly BS from Black Panther/The man without fear/The deadliest Man alive. I hate that Marvel has now made me lose respect for one of my favorite characters.

[XPac]

Even worst, he annulled their marriage without even telling her. That's some cowardedly BS from Black Panther/The man without fear/The deadliest Man alive. I hate that Marvel has now made me lose respect for one of my favorite characters.

In T'Challa's defense Wakanda had just been invaded... so I'm not sure we can completely fault him for prioritizing that over telling Storm he was annuling their marriage. He can legitimately say he was busy.

[Kurolegacy]

Hey it's not over yet, they could still work things out...




...right? :'(

If they do work it out, only place that I can see it happening is in Consequences since that's basically the fallout of AvX. So we'll have to wait until October to see.

I guess T'Challa's feelings come from that in this conflict that Storm supported the X-Men and actively fought against the Avengers allowing Namor to end up in possession of a fraction of the PF and that even after that, she did nothing to stop them even after they had called on a manhunt for the Avengers. So it seems that he's holding guilt by association since he stated that all X-Men (probably besides Wolverine and Beast at least) are enemies of Wakanda since Namor was one of theirs. On the upside, I'm glad that in this issue that Storm's not only siding with the Avengers but she's also doing the job Scott gave her as a member of his team; stopping him if she sees that he's gone too far.

[jarrod]

Do you hate the Northstar marriage because the only reason he married Kyle was because he was gay?

yeah thats how that sounded.

Er, yes? Gay marriage is a hot button issue and Marvel played up the marriage to great sales and publicity. Marjorie Lui's more or less said it was an editorial mandate too, so we know this wasn't the result of the writer herself. And worst of all, some of those involved (Northstar, Warbird) had to be twisted out of character to make it all happen.

At least in the case of Kyle though, he wasn't a pre-existing character with decades of history. He was created to be Northstar's boyfriend/damsel so he's pretty much a blank slate for background, motivation, connections, etc.

I've never liked that argument. The only reason they got married was because they were black. It's like saying the only reason Sue and Reed got married was because they were white. The only reason Wanda married Vision was because of feminist independence on not needing a man to be happy and mechanical appliances are all you need. The only reason Matt Murdock Married Milla was because she was blind. The only reason Crystal Married Ronan was because they were Kree. The only reason Luke married Jessica was because of Obama....

I think the reason people come to this conclusion for Storm/BP is because race was really seemingly the only thing that deeply connected them. Yes Claremont and Priest had laid some hint of subtle deeper connection there, but it was never properly followed up or built upon. We had a rushed and hugely publicized wedding of the century, an embarrasingly retconned statutory rape to justify it and not really much more. It was bad, and the marriage since really hasn't been any better, with the only moments of interest generally coming from friction or discontent between them. People only see race because that's mainly what there is to grasp on to.

[TanGent]

On the upside, I'm glad that in this issue that Storm's not only siding with the Avengers but she's also doing the job Scott gave her as a member of his team; stopping him if she sees that he's gone too far.

Me too, on this point I'm ecstatic!

It's about time Storm was THE Storm again, and not just wallpaper lady.

[Windrider]

Even under Hudlin you could see the flaws in their marriage though. Like when T'Challa essentially yelled at Storm because she saved him from Doom without his permission (and he did the same thing in Man Without Fear when she saved him from Kraven).

As smart as T'Challa is, I don't think he's a person that's good at personal relationships.
Yes, Storm is very understanding of their problems (almost TOO understanding in some ways), but she's not the one trying to end the relationship. T'Challa is. And again, I'm not dissing him here exactly... I don't blame him for being upset given what has happened. But Storm's is and has always been a rock in their marriage. T'Challa has been the shakey one through out the whole thing, again IMO because I dont' think he's very good at personal relationships.

I think this sums up T'Challa pretty well. I saw so much potential for them as a couple, but it has been made clear that there was no interest in pursuing that potential for them, so I am happy to see it coming to an end. I hope their ending dialogue does both characters justice.

[Starleafgirl]

I still say the reason isn't that T-Challa isn't good at personal relationships, but the WRITERS aren't good at WRITING good personal relationships. And I lay that at the foot of the Marvel editorial staff. I don't care how much people wanted their marriage to dissolve (why I don't know other than to continue a personal fantasy of a single Storm, since single female character are easier to think about than ones hitched),

Writers generally did a good job of making Storm's actions within the relationship actually make sense, though. I mean, besides Bendis, but that's Bendis, you really can't expect much from him. There's just something wrong with the writers writing Black Panther in the relationship, lol. And as for "a personal fantasy of a single Storm," etc.: That's not why. I don't mind female characters getting married. But the Storm and Black Panther marriage was awful for a million reasons stated a million times over on the Internet, by posters much more articulate than I (read this if you want the bullet points). Now that it's over, I hope we can just stop talking about it.

Ugh, I have to vent for a moment:

What a little b*tch, taking his suffering and the suffering of his people (rather, their people, as former King and Queen) out on his wife, who was not at fault for Namor's actions (and, pretty sure, not even present at the time). Annulling their marriage and shutting her out instead of, I don't know, trying to talk to his wife and understand her point of view is ridiculous. Making this decision by himself, instead treating her like an equal partner in their marriage, also ridiculous. Meh, why are we talking about this marriage (which I was over it before it even began), when this also happened:

-Storm {...} Giving up, she tells him to tell Cap she wants to help. Cut to Storm leading the Avengers into the mountain to free their teammates.

Yesssss! *appreciates* ;D I wish I'd gone to my LCS today to see this! Someone can post a panel though, yeah?

Heard she was also great in adjectiveless X-Men #33 today.

I wouldn't be surprised if she led the X-Men post-AVX. Well, the non-time-traveling ones, anyway.

[stillanerd]

I gotta agree, it seems unless your Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Woman your marriage is doomed to fail no matter how compatible the characters are.

Take for instance MJ and Peter, they could not think of a legitimate reason to have them divorce so they whipped up a BS storyline and Peter make a deal with the devil to erase everything. What happened with Luke Cage's marriage was admittedly a bit more credible but still something that came out of left field, it's like Jessica wasn't expecting to get those sort of threats on her family even though she's married to a publically known super hero and is a super hero herself. Now we have Black Panther annuling his marriage for something that wasn't even Storm's fault, who the hell is writing these stories and how do they still have a job?

I don't even read Black Panther but I remember following the events leading up to his wedding as well as the comic where the event actually happened, I was genuinely happy about it because at the time I couldn't think of a single black superhero couple in marvel at the time. Now it's over and not even for a good reasons!

I also agree that the track record when it comes to marriage in the Marvel Universe is a pretty abysmal one. But for me, there was one simple reason why the marriage between Black Panther and Storm was never going to work: they were characters who belonged to completely different comic book franchises. And any time Marvel or DC has had two characters from completely different franchises become romantically involved, unless they are exclusively on a team-up together and have no other solo series, the relationship never, ever lasts in the long run and--as was the case with Black Panther and Storm--winds up doing long-term damage to both characters.

[TanGent]

^The irony of course being that there's a high probability both are going to be on Avengers teams after this event.

Oh Marvel... you so cray cray.

[Genki Sudo]

Ugh, I have to vent for a moment:

What a little b*tch, taking his suffering and the suffering of his people (rather, their people, as former King and Queen) out on his wife, who was not at fault for Namor's actions (and, pretty sure, not even present at the time). Annulling their marriage and shutting her out instead of, I don't know, trying to talk to his wife and understand her point of view is ridiculous. Making this decision by himself, instead treating her like an equal partner in their marriage, also ridiculous. Meh, why are we talking about this marriage (which I was over it before it even began), when this also happened:

I don't recall seeing her even bothering to lift a finger to help her so called people but guess she was only queen in name alone as she rarely outside of BP's book even acted like one or gave a damn about her "people".....kinda just like when she abandoned the morlocks

[Omegastorm]

I don't recall seeing her even bothering to lift a finger to help her so called people but guess she was only queen in name alone as she rarely outside of BP's book even acted like one or gave a damn about her "people".....kinda just like when she abandoned the morlocks

How can you abandon someone when you keep pushing them away? It's not like T'challa was inviting or even tried to really integrate her in. Not only that but since when has he even cared that much for his people? Did not he spend months in Hell's Kitchen trying to get his groove back? Bricks, Glass Houses, you know that type of thing. Even though his wife did reach out to him and he kept rejecting her.

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[Genki Sudo]

I also agree that the track record when it comes to marriage in the Marvel Universe is a pretty abysmal one. But for me, there was one simple reason why the marriage between Black Panther and Storm was never going to work: they were characters who belonged to completely different comic book franchises. And any time Marvel or DC has had two characters from completely different franchises become romantically involved, unless they are exclusively on a team-up together and have no other solo series, the relationship never, ever lasts in the long run and--as was the case with Black Panther and Storm--winds up doing long-term damage to both characters.

Pretty much, the last writer of BP's solo said he wanted to use Storm and the x-office told him no

Funny as even in the x-books Storm was nothing but wallpaper until recently and the guy responsible for that is rumored to be leaving soon

[Red Mask]

I don't recall seeing her even bothering to lift a finger to help her so called people but guess she was only queen in name alone as she rarely outside of BP's book even acted like one or gave a damn about her "people".....kinda just like when she abandoned the morlocks

Yeah, there were so few stories in this timeline to prove she considered them 'her' people.