Storm Appreciation

[Deus ex Chris]

Cool thanks... I hate the fact that Storm and Black Panther are battling.. That sucks.. I would love for someone to hit Storm in the back, anc T'challa drops everything and attacks them... That would rock..

Yeah, the whole problem with the marriage has been Storm being treated like a subordinate and a damsel. This is pretty much the last thing I want to see.

[XPac]

Yeah, the whole problem with the marriage has been Storm being treated like a subordinate and a damsel. This is pretty much the last thing I want to see.

In all fairness there actually have been multiple occasions were T'Challa ended up being the damsel and Storm ended up having to save him. Course, he ended up yelling at her for it, but still...

[RLAAMJR.]

Thor only just returned to earth. So if they end up throwing down, it probably won't be until later. Probably after the No More Avengers stuff.

It sounds like the X-Men will be hunting down and imprisoning the Avengers or something like that based on some of the solicits (which admittedly are often vague or uclear), so I suppose that could lead to Storm throwing down with Thor.

I'm still kinda hoping Storm switches sides at that point since it doesn't sound like the X-Men are the good guys... but we'll see.

No. I don't want Storm to switch sides. I would prefer Black panther to switch sides.

[RLAAMJR.]

Ororo Munroe looks fine but not as awesome as before.

and i prefer her costume to be blue and gold, not black and gold

[Deus ex Chris]

In all fairness there actually have been multiple occasions were T'Challa ended up being the damsel and Storm ended up having to save him. Course, he ended up yelling at her for it, but still...

Occasionally being saved by him or anyone else isn't the issue. That's fine. The embarrassing pattern that harkened back to Stan Lee's writing of the Invisible Woman--excuse me: the Invisible Girl--in the Sixties is what I have a problem with. Storm was literally bound and gagged and given lines like "wait until my husband gets here" in what was one of the saddest, most anti-feminist stories I've ever read. T'Challa was never portrayed like that. Even when getting saved by her, he's still barking orders and bitching at her. That'd also be fine, if she wasn't written as simply taking it. That's not the kind of characterization that drew me to the character in the first place. I don't want to see it.

[XPac]

Occasionally being saved by him or anyone else isn't the issue. That's fine. The embarrassing pattern that harkened back to Stan Lee's writing of the Invisible Woman--excuse me: the Invisible Girl--in the Sixties is what I have a problem with. Storm was literally bound and gagged and given lines like "wait until my husband gets here" in what was one of the saddest, most anti-feminist stories I've ever read. T'Challa was never portrayed like that. Even when getting saved by her, he's still barking orders and bitching at her. That'd also be fine, if she wasn't written as simply taking it. That's not the kind of characterization that drew me to the character in the first place. I don't want to see it.

I don't entirely disagree.

Still, back in the day under Claremont Storm actually did tend to get tied up and bound quite a bit. Sometimes made me wonder a bit about the writer, but we probably shouldn't go there...

[Deus ex Chris]

I don't entirely disagree.

Still, back in the day under Claremont Storm actually did tend to get tied up and bound quite a bit. Sometimes made me wonder a bit about the writer, but we probably shouldn't go there...

She did, but she was almost always the one to get herself out of it. Claremont made it very clear that she wasn't some damsel to be rescued, and he hit that point over and over again. Despite any feshistic bent--or maybe because of it--she was empowered.

[Kieran_Frost]

Occasionally being saved by him or anyone else isn't the issue. That's fine. The embarrassing pattern that harkened back to Stan Lee's writing of the Invisible Woman--excuse me: the Invisible Girl--in the Sixties is what I have a problem with. Storm was literally bound and gagged and given lines like "wait until my husband gets here" in what was one of the saddest, most anti-feminist stories I've ever read. T'Challa was never portrayed like that. Even when getting saved by her, he's still barking orders and bitching at her. That'd also be fine, if she wasn't written as simply taking it. That's not the kind of characterization that drew me to the character in the first place. I don't want to see it.

THIS x1,000,000!!! I understand (esp. in a T'Challa centred comic) why he must "come out on top"; but it's ALWAYS Storm that suffers from those moments. It's fine for T'Challa to b*tch about being saved by his wife, as long as Storm shoots him down, telling him to "grow up, and stop being so pig headed". But she doesn't, she just smiles; and thinks his tantrum is "funny". UGH! I really enjoyed Liss' work on Black Panther; but CHRIST he writes a terrible Storm.

If Storm switches sides in AvsX... god, I don't, I just don't know what I would do... I'd be beyond p*ssed! T'Challa NEEDS to switch sides, just to show for once, FOR ONCE, his wife is right, over him; and he acknowledges that. To show FOR ONCE he places her above anything. Their marriage was such a BEAUTIFUL idea, butchered to death by bad characterization of Storm; and quasi-misogynistic "the good wife" portrayals.

[Swashbuckler]

To show FOR ONCE he places her above anything.

He doesn't put her first at all. His pride, Wakanda and the Panther God all come before her. Hell, even the Avengers come before her and he hasn't been a prominent member in YEARS.

[Kieran_Frost]

He doesn't put her first at all. His pride, Wakanda and the Panther God all come before her. Hell, even the Avengers come before her and he hasn't been a prominent member in YEARS.

Off the top of my head, in recent years T'challa has put the following people/things before his wife: vibranium, the Dora Milaje, Daredevil, his pride and now the Avengers. So fingers crossed, FOR ONCE, he is about to put his wife before someone or something else... though... I still am concerned this might not happen.

[MuhollandDriver]

She did, but she was almost always the one to get herself out of it. Claremont made it very clear that she wasn't some damsel to be rescued, and he hit that point over and over again. Despite any feshistic bent--or maybe because of it--she was empowered.

Absolutely. Furthermore, Claremont made her leader of the X-Men, gave her compelling characterization, and wrote dynamic stories that often centered around her.

Despite some possible fetishy elements, I think the above examples are much better than being a supporting role to a character who is arguably less famous than you.

Also, Storm was not the only character in X-Men to get the fetish treatment. It happened to almost every character at least a few times, male and female. He was an equal opportunity writer!

Anyone remember this beauty?

[Omegastorm]

Yeah, the whole problem with the marriage has been Storm being treated like a subordinate and a damsel. This is pretty much the last thing I want to see.

I don't think any Storm fan wants to see that. But from the first page where Storm and T'challa were portrayed in Hudlin's Panther and she asks what would you give up for me? he never answered the question but after years of portraying the union/joke we know the answer. Nothing, he has had to give up nothing to be with her whereas she has literally sacrificed her life to save his. Giving up money is not much of a sacrifice for the richest guy in the world? I give Hudlin credit for sporadically equalizing her but that's it. In AvX Storm has been portrayed as going along with Scott and being smarter about this conflict than him. But at the same time she's finally starting to stand up to her husband. I wish he would stand up for her just once, like really sacrifice something of deep emotional value for her. She's proven her love for him repeatedly, what has he really done to show her the same respect or deference?

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[PwrdOff]

Watching Storm in the 90s cartoon was my first exposure to female superheroes, and though her portrayal wasn't perfect, it definitely gave me a new found respect and admiration for women in general. What really made an impression on me was that although Cyclops was supposed to be the leader of the team, it seemed like all he ever did was bark orders and criticize people, while Storm was really the one always taking charge of the situation and leading by example. Does anyone else remember the scene where she took out the entire Hellfire Club on her own? It was sad to see her get stabbed in the back by Jean, though, given that Ororo is the only person who ever really cared about her as a person and didn't just want to take advantage of her.

It seems like the current comics saw this as a mistake to be corrected, and that Ororo needed to be put back in her place as a passive non-entity with all of the other Claremazons, while the men took their rightful place at the forefront of the franchise. While I don't mind her having a romantic life, all of her love interests have been far less prominent characters and she should never have to take second billing behind any of them.

[RLAAMJR.]

Watching Storm in the 90s cartoon was my first exposure to female superheroes, and though her portrayal wasn't perfect, it definitely gave me a new found respect and admiration for women in general. What really made an impression on me was that although Cyclops was supposed to be the leader of the team, it seemed like all he ever did was bark orders and criticize people, while Storm was really the one always taking charge of the situation and leading by example. Does anyone else remember the scene where she took out the entire Hellfire Club on her own? It was sad to see her get stabbed in the back by Jean, though, given that Ororo is the only person who ever really cared about her as a person and didn't just want to take advantage of her.

It seems like the current comics saw this as a mistake to be corrected, and that Ororo needed to be put back in her place as a passive non-entity with all of the other Claremazons, while the men took their rightful place at the forefront of the franchise. While I don't mind her having a romantic life, all of her love interests have been far less prominent characters and she should never have to take second billing behind any of them.

Me too! It was my first time to watch female superheroes and they were truly awesome characters. Indeed, Storm has a different way of leading, a better one in my opinion. I did remember that part when she has beaten the hellfire club and always love her line: "I believe that pleasure is mine!"

She also has shown good leadership for the Christmas episode.

[RLAAMJR.]

Isn't it awesome that Storm is at the center? : )