Market Share: Marvel vs. DC

[Dog]

I don't see anything "passive" in those posts. He's not hiding anything.

[Eobard Thawne]

I can't follow you here other that I know we're horrible for some reason.

Anyway for the hundredth time you'd have to be pretty ignorant not to know that a comic by Geoff and Ivan was going to do ridiculously well after Blackest Night and Brightest Day.

No one who actually does this for a living was surprised, btu I get how some fans were. Market seems to gave worked itself out though.

SW

Agreed, Geoff and Ivan on a book after Brightest Day is obviously going to do ridiculously well. Just like if you put Bendis and Maleev on a book like Moon Knight when the character is getting a push in the Avengers books, that is going to do ridiculously well. Hmmm, editorial must have been the difference I guess since the above logic is rock solid ...

[TheDreamingCelestial]

Agreed, Geoff and Ivan on a book after Brightest Day is obviously going to do ridiculously well. Just like if you put Bendis and Maleev on a book like Moon Knight when the character is getting a push in the Avengers books, that is going to do ridiculously well. Hmmm, editorial must have been the difference I guess since the above logic is rock solid ...

why don't we have like buttons in these new forums again?

[Rheged]

Agreed, Geoff and Ivan on a book after Brightest Day is obviously going to do ridiculously well. Just like if you put Bendis and Maleev on a book like Moon Knight when the character is getting a push in the Avengers books, that is going to do ridiculously well. Hmmm, editorial must have been the difference I guess since the above logic is rock solid ...

While Bendis may be the Marvel equivalent to Geoff Johns to some folks, I don't think the Moon Knight book was exactly the same thing. For one thing, Bendis deconstructed MK, and then started writing about Cap, Spider-Man and Wolverine. Johns, OTOH, built up Aquaman and reminded folks of all his cool things. Even more importantly these days, Moon Knight didn't get anywhere near the same push that Aquaman did to stress his importance in their respective universes. Johns gave Aquaman a central role in three events (one of them sharing the main event book and another he got his own tie-in), before he got his own book and he got put on their best selling JLA with some nice moments. Moon Knight joined the Secret Avengers and didn't really do much.

[bd2999]

I do not think there is anything intrinsically better about Marvel over DC. I much prefer Marvel over DC, and dislike the New 52, but whatever fault you find in one exists in the other. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think DC has more similar powerhouses running around with the same power sets. Like Captain Marvel, Superman, Wonder Woman and so on. They are all really strong, fast and durable with some differences. Compare that to some Marvel strongmen like Hulk, Thor, Thing and so on. Just seem much different to me.

But either way nothing by default that makes one better over the other. Although I do not like the way either of them are going overall at the moment.

[timeismoney]

I do not think there is anything intrinsically better about Marvel over DC. I much prefer Marvel over DC, and dislike the New 52, but whatever fault you find in one exists in the other. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think DC has more similar powerhouses running around with the same power sets. Like Captain Marvel, Superman, Wonder Woman and so on. They are all really strong, fast and durable with some differences. Compare that to some Marvel strongmen like Hulk, Thor, Thing and so on. Just seem much different to me.

But either way nothing by default that makes one better over the other. Although I do not like the way either of them are going overall at the moment.

this the truth if you ever saw it.

[Eobard Thawne]

While Bendis may be the Marvel equivalent to Geoff Johns to some folks, I don't think the Moon Knight book was exactly the same thing. For one thing, Bendis deconstructed MK, and then started twriting about Cap, Spider-Man and Wolverine. Johns, OTOH, built up Aquaman and reminded folks of all his cool things. Even more importantly these days, Moon Knight didn't get anywhere near the same push that Aquaman did to stress his importance in their respective universes. Johns gave Aquaman a central role in three events (one of them sharing the main event book and another he got his own tie-in), before he got his own book and he got put on their best selling JLA with some nice moments. Moon Knight joined the Secret Avengers and didn't really do much.

Yeah, that's basically the point, one revival of a character that couldn't hold a series in recent memory worked, while one didn't. Keep in mind that Brubaker stated in interviews that he was forced to use Moon Knight in Secret Avengers because Marvel was trying to push the character. The poster I quoted was making the point that you are ignorant if you think that putting superstar creators on a book with a character getting a push isn't going to be an instant success. If it's that easy the editor I quoted should have lots of top ten books instead of none. I enjoy a good comic like Daredevil, but an editor who posts here likes to remind us that money talks in the "business" world of corporate comics, not critical acclaim. Thankfully Bendis is giving fans a "Spider-man story that matters", which might be his way of saying he'll get a high selling Spidey book on the stands since that's what matters. Too bad Slott has to take down his "thanks for that" twitter response to Bendis. Apparently you're only allowed to lash out at former Marvel writers with social media in regards to Spider-man. I don't work in the industry though so my opinion doesn't count apparently.

why don't we have like buttons in these new forums again?

LIKE!

10char

[whiteshark]

Yeah, that's basically the point, one revival of a character that couldn't hold a series in recent memory worked, while one didn't. Keep in mind that Brubaker stated in interviews that he was forced to use Moon Knight in Secret Avengers because Marvel was trying to push the character. The poster I quoted was making the point that you are ignorant if you think that putting superstar creators on a book with a character getting a push isn't going to be an instant success. If it's that easy the editor I quoted should have lots of top ten books instead of none. I enjoy a good comic like Daredevil, but an editor who posts here likes to remind us that money talks in the "business" world of corporate comics, not critical acclaim. Thankfully Bendis is giving fans a "Spider-man story that matters", which might be his way of saying he'll get a high selling Spidey book on the stands since that's what matters. Too bad Slott has to take down his "thanks for that" twitter response to Bendis. Apparently you're only allowed to lash out at former Marvel writers with social media in regards to Spider-man. I don't work in the industry though so my opinion doesn't count apparently.

The new Moon Knight title was not made in a time when all Marvel titles got re-booted neither did Moon Knight apeared in the previous Marvel events.
Plus Alex Maleev is neither a popular artist as Ivan Reis.
Heck even i looked to the new Moon Knight title as more of a Marvel Knights new ongoing comic book that anything else.
Apples and oranges and all that.

[Eobard Thawne]

The new Moon Knight title was not made in a time when all Marvel titles got re-booted neither did Moon Knight apeared in the previous Marvel events.
Plus Alex Maleev is neither a popular artist as Ivan Reis.
Heck even i looked to the new Moon Knight title as more of a Marvel Knights new ongoing comic book that anything else.
Apples and oranges and all that.

So it was no surprise to you that putting /Maleev on Moonknight resulted in such low sales? You pretty much knew it was going to happen? Impressive. You should have let Marvel know and you could have saved them a few bucks since no one else there knew it was going to happen. Everyone in the business apparently knew Aquaman was going to be a top 10 book, in 20/20 hindsight of course.

[TheDreamingCelestial]

LIKE!

10char

well i liked your follow-up, preceding this post too, but it is kind of tiresome to just quote the post and sing praise to it, while we could just push a button as we go along reading them anyways, maybe i should add you to a buddy list or some such thing, though don't have much of an idea about whatever the use of that is..

[zinx]

btw,since this month is Avengers movie month,ill guess Avengers titles will doin fine too this month
,probably have an increase too

[Cavemold]

http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/...ticleID=121105

Top 100 where did your book rank?

[Rheged]

Yeah, that's basically the point, one revival of a character that couldn't hold a series in recent memory worked, while one didn't. Keep in mind that Brubaker stated in interviews that he was forced to use Moon Knight in Secret Avengers because Marvel was trying to push the character. The poster I quoted was making the point that you are ignorant if you think that putting superstar creators on a book with a character getting a push isn't going to be an instant success. If it's that easy the editor I quoted should have lots of top ten books instead of none. I enjoy a good comic like Daredevil, but an editor who posts here likes to remind us that money talks in the "business" world of corporate comics, not critical acclaim. Thankfully Bendis is giving fans a "Spider-man story that matters", which might be his way of saying he'll get a high selling Spidey book on the stands since that's what matters. Too bad Slott has to take down his "thanks for that" twitter response to Bendis. Apparently you're only allowed to lash out at former Marvel writers with social media in regards to Spider-man. I don't work in the industry though so my opinion doesn't count apparently.

Dear god man, don't make me defend a Wacker post!

One could always argue the roles those two characters play in their respective universe (MK and Aquaman) isn't comparable. And it wasn't _just_ the A-list creators (who took different approaches). Alot of the success was due to the push, and Aquaman's push was like 100 times more and better done, than with Moon Knight. Not to mention, clearly, Johns loves the character. Brubaker and Bendis, not so much. That's my point. With Namor and Aquaman, you've got similar characters and roles within the MU they play. IF Marvel would invest in Namor as much as DC invested in Aquaman (with popular talent that were enthusiastic about the character and a comparable push), I believe he'd do as well, if not better. Of course, I'm biased, as I like Namor and Marvel better.

The new Moon Knight title was not made in a time when all Marvel titles got re-booted neither did Moon Knight apeared in the previous Marvel events.
Plus Alex Maleev is neither a popular artist as Ivan Reis.
Heck even i looked to the new Moon Knight title as more of a Marvel Knights new ongoing comic book that anything else.
Apples and oranges and all that.

Pretty much this. I believe, the last characters Marvel gave the Aquaman treatment to were Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man after Disassembled.

So it was no surprise to you that putting /Maleev on Moonknight resulted in such low sales? You pretty much knew it was going to happen? Impressive. You should have let Marvel know and you could have saved them a few bucks since no one else there knew it was going to happen. Everyone in the business apparently knew Aquaman was going to be a top 10 book, in 20/20 hindsight of course.

Well, after I heard what the concept for Bendis' new Moon Knight, I felt it wasn't going to do as well as they hoped. It certainly wasn't going to do as well as Aquaman, considering Moon Knight really didn't get a comparable push. Brightest Day, featuring Aquaman, WAS a top 10 book, so the expectation that an Aquaman ongoing, would do well, even perhaps be in the top ten also, was definitely there.

[Kick-Ass]

Oh wow! Can't believe a post I started has almost 1,000 posts!! Woo!! Go me!

Anyone else somewhat agree with my signature at this point?

Love ASM Wack-Man! :D

[Hulk_Is]

I do believe that all of the comics I read have made it into the Top 100.

I'd be pretty upset if I was a Journey Into Mystery reader and seeing Moon Knight rank even higher.