Complaints About the Republican Party IV

**Shellhead** · 10-07-2011, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by worstblogever

Herman Cain stands by his claims that African Americans who vote for Democrats do so because they've been "brainwashed".

It's like people make gains in the GOP Primary polls just to get a chance to rush to a microphone to say something stupid, and hand the lead back to Mitt Romney (whose "corporations are people" is still his own gaffe).

Does anyone actually want to win the nomination?

Occam's Razor indicates that it would be easier to blackmail Herman Cain than everybody else.

**mikekerrIII** · 10-07-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by the4thpip

The "half of Americans don't pay taxes lie" has been disproven over and over.

That they don't pay taxes is a lie that they don't pay Federal Income tax is true. You have to listed to what is actually being said.

**mikekerrIII** · 10-07-2011, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by the4thpip

Florida Republican Ritch Workman is all about creating the jobs...

... in the dwarf tossing industry.

It was a dumb law where the legislature had no business acting. But making it a priority right now is even dumber

**worstblogever** · 10-07-2011, 09:05 AM

Top Republicans like Eric Cantor have begun criticizing the Occupy Wall Street protests.

Newt Gingrich, of course, referred to them as "Obama demonstrations". I don't know if he's accusing the president of having something to do with it, or if he's just using "Obama" as a dirty word, like many on the far right do.

**Royal** · 10-07-2011, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by worstblogever

Top Republicans like Eric Cantor have begun criticizing the Occupy Wall Street protests.

Newt Gingrich, of course, referred to them as "Obama demonstrations". I don't know if he's accusing the president of having something to do with it, or if he's just using "Obama" as a dirty word, like many on the far right do.

Everybody knows that "Obama" is the new N word.

And no, OWS is not Demo or Repub centric.

**worstblogever** · 10-07-2011, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Royal

Everybody knows that "Obama" is the new N word.

And no, OWS is not Demo or Repub centric.

Seems like the Dems are warming to them with some of the commentary by Pelosi, Biden, and Obama the past two days. And the GOP... well, obviously, anyone who would be outraged over the Top 1% leaving the other 99% behind are an unruly mob.

**Royal** · 10-07-2011, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by worstblogever

Seems like the Dems are warming to them with some of the commentary by Pelosi, Biden, and Obama the past two days. And the GOP... well, obviously, anyone who would be outraged over the Top 1% leaving the other 99% behind are an unruly mob.

That's cool. Freedom of speech and all that. Just don't come around and try to act buddy-buddy.

**worstblogever** · 10-07-2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Royal

That's cool. Freedom of speech and all that. Just don't come around and try to act buddy-buddy.

Political strategists are already saying the Democrats might try to court the OWS folks the same way the Republicans used the Tea Party to make gains in 2010. Whether or not the OWS people are going to seek out a way to affect the system from within, or just yell on the street is yet to be seen.

But the main GOP party seems to be ready to rail against them because well, anyone who attacks the rich... you're incompatible with their ideals.

**Iangould** · 10-07-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerrIII

That they don't pay taxes is a lie that they don't pay Federal Income tax is true. You have to listed to what is actually being said.

Except that that figure was based on data from a single year - 2008 or 2009 IIRC - and was distorted by the high unemployment rate and also by a bunch of temporary rebates and tax credits handed out that year as part of the stimulus.

It also ignores the main reason people didn't pay taxes - the figure is based on people who lodged income tax returns. Many people whose income is below the taxable threshold lodge tax returns to get their withholding back. So the number of income tax returns filed is inflated by retirees who earn $500 a year in interest and kids who work one shift a week at Mcdonalds.

Do I really need to dig out the data again on effective total tax rates including sales taxes and state taxes and charges? You remember them - the ones that show that in several states, including Texas, the total effective tax rate is actually regressive.

**7thangel** · 10-07-2011, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by worstblogever

Herman Cain stands by his claims that African Americans who vote for Democrats do so because they've been "brainwashed".

It's like people make gains in the GOP Primary polls just to get a chance to rush to a microphone to say something stupid, and hand the lead back to Mitt Romney (whose "corporations are people" is still his own gaffe).

Does anyone actually want to win the nomination?

this doesn't hurt him in the least, in a repub primary, it's the opposite, it helps him tremendously. it will help ease the tension caused by him growing a spine from earlier in the week with perry's rock story.

**the4thpip** · 10-07-2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerrIII

That they don't pay taxes is a lie that they don't pay Federal Income tax is true. You have to listed to what is actually being said.

Or read, when there is no audio posted, as I did. He told a big fat lie.

**mikekerrIII** · 10-07-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Iangould

Except that that figure was based on data from a single year - 2008 or 2009 IIRC - and was distorted by the high unemployment rate and also by a bunch of temporary rebates and tax credits handed out that year as part of the stimulus.

It also ignores the main reason people didn't pay taxes - the figure is based on people who lodged income tax returns. Many people whose income is below the taxable threshold lodge tax returns to get their withholding back. So the number of income tax returns filed is inflated by retirees who earn $500 a year in interest and kids who work one shift a week at Mcdonalds.

Do I really need to dig out the data again on effective total tax rates including sales taxes and state taxes and charges? You remember them - the ones that show that in several states, including Texas, the total effective tax rate is actually regressive.

You don't need to did anything up. since i clearly said that they payed taxes, just not Federal Income Taxes, you just might read a little more carefiully. In My state you pay no sales tax and the taxes and Charges are minimal,All the Corparations using the State as a headquarters for legal and tax reasons foot the bill, their rate is low too but since we often get very large checks from companies that have little more impact on the State than a PO box it works out well

You can make a quite comfortable income (my $ 65K a year qualifies as that in Delaware) and pay no Federal income taxes at all. they years you are talking about I got all I had paid in in Federal Income Taxes back, and then received cash back from refundable credits. That is with no more shelters than house and my Wife's tithing provide

You will notice that when the Republicans use the figure the big ones say Income Taxs ( which has a specific meaning in the US) not just taxes, then It is repeated don with the Federal dropped off because they don't give a damned if what they are parroting gets mangled.